Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You'd see pretty much everything become obtainable from the mogstation or gold saucer as half the threads asking SE for something are like this. The majority don't want to work hard for anything.

Good argument to make savage mounts exclusive, or at the very least force a ilvl sync

And I should also ask why should the 1.0 gobbue and 1.0 chocobo be exclusive? It isn't fair?!

Should the unique trophy reward for the number 1 player at the end of the season be given away to everyone at a later date? It's an exclusive item, so it should be in violation of your rule. Or perhaps rewards take on a different connotation within the context of an actual competition? As a compromise, I wouldn't mind if they gave out reskinned versions of the top 100 rewards at a later date in exchange for a decent sum of wolf collars.

Both of these are false equivalents. 1.0 Gobbue and Chocobo required you to play an entirely different game; denoting a unique circumstance. As the trophy, it's essentially a title more comparable with Ultimate. Mounts, on the other hand, have been ubiquitous as a collectors item. No other forms of content render them exclusive. They even stopped exclusive minions from SE store purchases after numerous complaints. If I recall correctly, the reason they gave for no Ultimate mounts or minion was it not being fair to more casual players. Why isn't that extended to PvP then? I have no doubt plenty of active PvPers see the mount as a trophy of sorts. I'm arguing more against the lack of consistency because how are Savage mounts any different? Why can't raiders get a Bahamut mount for completing Ultimate? It'd serve the exact same function.

So in that sense, Aviars. Yes, the mounts from Savage should be gated behind ilvl if they're going to continue this system for Feast. Alas, they won't because like I said, this has absolutely nothing to do with rewarding PvPer and simply SE looking for ways to get people into PvP. It's no coincidence this is now the second requested mount from PvE (Hellhound being the first) that got locked behind a Feast tournament.

The exclusivity of the item proves season placement. It's just that in a videogame, you get to be a lot more creative with how you design a trophy.

Why not create a Top 100 Trophy or a equivalent title ala Ultimate? Once again, it's a lack of consistency and shows they just want to bribe more people into Feast.

[Aviars]

Both of these are false equivalents.

Funny, why are you equating PVE with PVP then? They are two separate and entirely different things after all with their own set of currency, progression and rewards!

[zuzu-bq]

What me and Bourne been questioning though is just how poorly the rewards are handled.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Funny, why are you equating PVE with PVP then? They are two separate and entirely different things after all with their own set of currency, progression and rewards!

Because only one offers wholly exclusive mounts whereas the other allows people to farm them a year later with little effort. PvP is still apart of FFXIV. I am not equating it to PvE in terms of gameplay but on their respective reward structure. In fact, let's look at Lord of Verminion. Despite being a PvP inspired attraction the minion rewards aren't exclusive. Two years later and I can still go and obtain them, though good luck finding enough people to play it. These exclusive mounts aim to hopefully bribe people to play Feast. If they truly aimed to offer rewards based on your skill, they would have Top 100 Trophies, titles and/or an in-game Leadership board that highlights your name and the season you reached top 100 in.

Put simply, if even Ultimate doesn't get a mount or minion. Why should Feast?

[Aviars]

Because only one offers wholly exclusive mounts whereas the other allows people to farm them a year later with little effort. PvP is still apart of FFXIV. I am not equating it to PvE in terms of gameplay but on their respective reward structure. In fact, let's look at Lord of Verminion. Despite being a PvP inspired attraction the minion rewards aren't exclusive. Two years later and I can still go and obtain them, though good luck finding enough people to play it. These exclusive mounts aim to hopefully bribe people to play Feast. If they truly aimed to offer rewards based on your skill, they would have Top 100 Trophies, titles and/or an in-game Leadership board that highlights your name and the season you reached top 100 in.

Put simply, if even Ultimate doesn't get a mount or minion. Why should Feast?

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

Also with you claiming false equivalence based on the fact that 2.0 and beyond is is a different version of the same game, I can claim you are wrongly comparing PVP and PVE in the same category. They aren't the same, so why should you be allowed to make comparisons but we aren't? More like you don't really have a good counterpoint and resort to dismissive gestures than try and articulate yourself.

Also what makes mounts somehow not a reward for talent and skill while a trophy is? They both serve the same purpose in rewarding people for their skill and effort. There is no difference, somehow you think there is.

To your last point, Ranked Feast does not offer weapons to the top 100 while Ultimate does. Why does ultimate get a weapon and not top 100 in Feast??? As you can see I can do the exact same thing back to you lol.

PvP and PvE being exclusive to each other is just hurting PvP. Add in more tangible, reachable rewards and I guarantee you PvP will be more lively again. Think back to the launch of stormblood and how active PvP was due to how much exp you could get from participating. The only time PvP was hot and lively was when they added something it tie to the base game.

I do agree there needs to be more incentive to play PVP. However people seem to think that means making top 100 rewards for everyone. I don't believe in that. I believe there should still be exclusive top 100 rewards while making base rewards better and more numerous.

[Vahlnir]

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

Not now, anyway. I think it'll more than likely be doable with an Undersized group when the next expansion launches, or soon after. That's just the way they do things. If we have the same amount of stat gains like we did from HW to SB...it may still prove to be fairly difficult. We aren't massively OP like we were whenever we went from ARR to HW. Sort of expecting it to work out the same way with whatever the next one happens to be.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As far as I am aware, Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed. So you won't see people steamrolling through said content ;]

And yet you only receive a title not a mount. Per my preceding post, the devs specifically mentioned it being unfair to have a mount or minion the overwhelming majority of players wouldn't be able to obtain. So... really, you're only proving my point.

Also with you claiming false equivalence based on the fact that 2.0 and beyond is is a different version of the same game, I can claim you are wrongly comparing PVP and PVE in the same category. They aren't the same, so why should you be allowed to make comparisons but we aren't? More like you don't really have a good counterpoint and resort to dismissive gestures than try and articulate yourself.

No, you cannot. PvP is still apart of FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. Until 4.0, it even used the exact same abilities. You're essentially trying to liken PvP to an entirely different game, which just outright silly. You keep insisting I am directly comparing gameplay but I have repeated pointed to their respective reward structures. I even provided a PvP example with LoV—something you blatantly ignored. Sounds as though you're the one unable to articulate a proper counterpart.

Also what makes mounts somehow not a reward for talent and skill while a trophy is? They both serve the same purpose in rewarding people for their skill and effort. There is no difference, somehow you think there is.

To your last point, Ranked Feast does not offer weapons to the top 100 while Ultimate does. Why does ultimate get a weapon and not top 100 in Feast??? As you can see I can do the exact same thing back to you lol.

For the same reason you insist PvP should be viewed separately. By that logic, why have rewards that primarily cater to PvE centric players (mounts) in lieu of a unique reward for Feast? After all, you keep claiming they should be separated yet the mounts being awarded were lifted from PvE content; Hellhound from Void Ark and this current one the second boss of Ala Mhigo. You know, the last dungeon in Stormblood's main story.

You can... and fail spectacularly at doing it. You literally just defeated your own argument. Ultimate weapons aren't exclusive, which is the whole point. I can get them whenever I fancy, provided I have the skill to beat Ultimate. This comparison only works if those weapons must be obtained before 4.2 or become lost forever.

Swing and a miss~

[Aviars]

And yet you only receive a title not a mount. Per my preceding post, the devs specifically mentioned it being unfair to have a mount or minion the overwhelming majority of players wouldn't be able to obtain. So... really, you're only proving my point.

And you receive a weapon, you don't seem to know your own content ;]

No, you cannot. PvP is still apart of FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. Until 4.0, it even used the exact same abilities. You're essentially trying to liken PvP to an entirely different game, which just outright silly. You keep insisting I am directly comparing gameplay but I have repeated pointed to their respective reward structures. I even provided a PvP example with LoV—something you blatantly ignored. Sounds as though you're the one unable to articulate a proper counterpart.

Yes I can, PVP had it's own unique abilities and it's own set of balance, a good example is repose and sleep being relevant spells while PVE continues to not use them. LoV has minion rewards that aren't exclusive, just as the rank feast also has it's own rewards that are not exclusive that are, wow minions. Hmm, I more or less skipped that because because your comparison is self defeating, why would I need to say anything about it?

For the same reason you insist PvP should be viewed separately. By that logic, why have rewards that primarily cater to PvE centric players (mounts) in lieu of a unique reward for Feast? After all, you keep claiming they should be separated yet the mounts being awarded were lifted from PvE content; Hellhound from Void Ark and this current one the second boss of Ala Mhigo. You know, the last dungeon in Stormblood's main story.

Wanna tell me what content in PVE relies on a mount? If anything mounts in frontlines are more important than mounts in PVE. And you can't even use mounts inside dungeons or raids. Mounts are as PVE centric as gathering is PVP centric. Don't act as if the world centers all around you. Also SE used hellhounds for PVP content because they a re thematically close to the Wolve's Den, which is, surprise, the main PVP hub.

I should also add that the republic gear, tied to pre-industrial garleans, was probably the reason they added a garlean style mount as a reward. You may not like it, but PVP has more of a reason to use the mount when Stormblood content will most definately be centered around ala mhigo and duma. So don't act like PVP has no reason to have these rewards champ.

You can... and fail spectacularly at doing it. You literally just defeated your own argument. Ultimate weapons aren't exclusive, which is the whole point. I can get them whenever I fancy, provided I have the skill to beat Ultimate. This comparison only works if those weapons must be obtained before 4.2 or become lost forever.

They are exclusive to the people that complete the content in the specifications required. No one can currently meet the specifications for older hellhound mounts or armor based on the fact they were meant for the top 100 of those seasons. So no I didn't defeat my own argument, you just can't understand the argument in the first place.

Swing and a miss~

Ya, you can keep missing as per usual, thanks ;]

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yes I can, PVP had it's own unique abilities and it's own set of balance, a good example is repose and sleep being relevant spells while PVE continues to not use them. LoV has minion rewards that aren't exclusive, just as the rank feast also has it's own rewards that are not exclusive that are, wow minions. Hmm, I more or less skipped that because because your comparison is self defeating, why would I need to say anything about it?

Unique abilities does not make it comparable to a separate game. I never denied Feast has rewards not exclusive. If you bothered to read my actual posts, you'd have noticed. I'll reiterate, Feast is the only content in FFXIV that has exclusive content that can only ever be obtained at one time. Just because you couldn't refute the LoV argument doesn't make it self-defeating, hun.

Wanna tell me what content in PVE relies on a mount? If anything mounts in frontlines are more important than mounts in PVE. And you can't even use mounts inside dungeons or raids. Mounts are as PVE centric as gathering is PVP centric. Don't act as if the world centers all around you. Also SE used hellhounds for PVP content because they a re thematically close to the Wolve's Den, which is, surprise, the main PVP hub.

I never said content relied on them. You're erected strawmens now. What I said is they have been a ubiquitous reward for PvE yet never made exclusive whereas twice now they have been in PvP.

I should also add that the republic gear, tied to pre-industrial garleans, was probably the reason they added a garlean style mount as a reward. You may not like it, but PVP has more of a reason to use the mount when Stormblood content will most definately be centered around ala mhigo and duma. So don't act like PVP has no reason to have these rewards champ.

You keep putting words in my mouth and trying to sound smug. It's cute. I never said there isn't a reason to have PvP rewards. I said they shouldn't be exclusive because no other content in the game operates this way. As for your subjective stance. You keep prattling on about how PvP should be viewed separately from PvE. So why create mounts out of mini bosses from PvP content? It's far more likely they chose those mounts due to people's repeated requests. Putting them in Feasts may get people to play the mode.

They are exclusive to the people that complete the content in the specifications required. No one can currently meet the specifications for older hellhound mounts or armor based on the fact they were meant for the top 100 of those seasons. So no I didn't defeat my own argument, you just can't understand the argument in the first place.

... either you are being willfully obtuse or are just completely daft. By your own admission above, this makes Feast mount rewards exclusive whereas Ultimate rewards aren't. That is the whole argument. Nothing from Ultimate is exclusive because the requirements never change. Even if left gated by ilvl, you can go back in 5.0 and still obtain everything. Hellhounds can never be obtained again unless they are brought back. This inherently makes Feast have exclusive content whereas nothing else in the game does.