Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Aviars]

I do understand, my wow account has a couple of feat of strength achievements, and I have a few rare items that are no longer in the game and I would not care if they added said items back into the or made the rewards from feat of strength achievements easier to obtain at a later date. Since it would not detract from the my personal experience required at the time to get said item or mount. It only cheapens the value if you let it.

Well why don't we just make ultimate weapons available for gil? The value is only cheapened if people who got the weapons from clearing Ultimate let it right?

You keep going on about how I don't understand percentage but keep missing my point, if you had time to play 200 matches loses 110 and win 90 and rank above someone who played 100 and won 70 because it's all he could play then yeah time advantage you. given the same amount of matches the guy with a 70% winrate would most likely have crushed the other one. Thing is he didn't had the same time to invest and got the opportunity to face enough team weaker than his to rack up enough win to steadily manage to store points.

Because you obviously don't understand, you seem to think you are guaranteed to win and lose a certain amount of games no matter your skill level as if you could stand in one spot and use no abilities and you would be able to win because you were "supposed to." BTW you get the same opportunity to play against a stronger team and lose as you would playing a weaker team and winning, so your logic doesn't add up champ.

And you're talking about that special gobbue that we were told would be exclusive to the 1.0 as a thanks for playing at that time when they promoted it and once the 2.0 hit got released again as a mount, just without the carpet, as part of the beastmen quest rewards? or the chocobo which is the same one as any other chocobo with black tip feather?

Because yeah I didn't whine about that, I don't really care that other people get to have the same stuff I do, SE can release the tattoo if they want if it gets to make someone's day. I'm not that selfish and that don't take it away from me, nor the fact that I played the V1 of this game.

Also you want me to believe that if they added the PVP season mounts and armors with a different color scheme to a beastmen tribe reward we wouldn't be seeing you whinning about "entitlement" and stuff on the forum?

The gobbue received from beastmen, as you admit, isn't the same. The chocobo you mentioned as you admit, isn't the same. And the tattoo is something they created for 1.0 users and SE seems to agree because it has never been even hinted at being released. You seem to get triggered at people getting rewarded for effort or achievement.

"If they aren't the same as me then it is UNFAIR"

That is basically you

[Awha]

Well why don't we just make ultimate weapons available for gil? The value is only cheapened if people who got the weapons from clearing Ultimate let it right?

Have not gotten to ultimate yet in this game, but even if I cleared it and they sold the weapon for 1 gil for me personally it would not detract from fun I had with the encounter (if it was fun have not done it yet not even 70 yet haha)

Do not get wrong I fully understand why people value such items, I sold my tor account for stupid amount (for me)simply because it had top 3 AC titles for for two seasons and each rank season rewards, with a couple nightmare mode raid titles and items. I do know people value such things simply do not see the point even if I understand why people value them. Still have my WoW account because I still play the game.

I am just different I guess for me the journey is what matters most the item is just a bonus, with or without the item I would have done the task if I found it enjoyable. I hardly ever find myself doing something simply for the item, main reason why I do not have many rep rewards in a lot of games unless they are tied to something needed for endgame.

[Sigiria]

Because you obviously don't understand, you seem to think you are guaranteed to win and lose a certain amount of games no matter your skill level as if you could stand in one spot and use no abilities and you would be able to win because you were "supposed to." BTW you get the same opportunity to play against a stronger team and lose as you would playing a weaker team and winning, so your logic doesn't add up champ.

I feel like we're going full circle there, statistically as long as you're doing something you'll get some win, but if you're better in a team of only four people the impact on the amount of the matches you win will be higher. If you're good you should be able to win more than half of your matches, if you're really good this should be rising to about 60%

Yet some people rank in the top 100 with a winrate ratio as high as 41% over an insane amount of matches which mean they lost more than they won, but just played long enough to get point. Those are either terribly unlucky and 60% of their team sucked or they were the element that made them lose and got carried the time they won. But somehow made it into the top 100 over someone who might not have the time or the motivation to play that many matches but would be good enough to win everytime against that previous guy.

But according to your logic the first example I gave is more skilled that the second one because he kept on playing until he managed to eventually get enough wins

The gobbue received from beastmen, as you admit, isn't the same. The chocobo you mentioned as you admit, isn't the same. And the tattoo is something they created for 1.0 users and SE seems to agree because it has never been even hinted at being released.

So we reached an understanding? Nice then the top 100 mounts should be in beastmen tribes rewards with a carpet on it and the armors should be there too with different colors at the tip of some part.
I'm sure nobody would complain about that, actually I'm fairly sure that's what people are also asking for, an other option to get something they want too. Even if it's an alternative version.

Get on it SE~

You seem to get triggered at people getting rewarded for effort or achievement.

Go ahead, quote me on when I ever said the reward should be handed over without effort or achievement. I said I don't care if people get the same stuff as me, also said SE already put an alternative version of once "exclusive rewards" through easy content and I also said gating a reward behind a time restriction is stupid and is not proof of any effort or achievement, woah you were there at the right time, you must be so special...

[Aviars]

I feel like we're going full circle there, statistically as long as you're doing something you'll get some win, but if you're better in a team of only four people the impact on the amount of the matches you win will be higher. If you're good you should be able to win more than half of your matches, if you're really good this should be rising to about 60%
Yet some people rank in the top 100 with a winrate ratio as high as 41% over an insane amount of matches which mean they lost more than they won, but just played long enough to get point. Those are either terribly unlucky and 60% of their team sucked or they were the element that made them lose and got carried the time they won. But somehow made it into the top 100 over someone who might not have the time or the motivation to play that many matches but would be good enough to win everytime against that previous guy.

But according to your logic the first example I gave is more skilled that the second one because he kept on playing until he managed to eventually get enough

you just fail to understand that playing the game makes you better at it. There is nothing really more to say to you since you already think you are the perfect player so obviously you wouldn't understand.

So we reached an understanding? Nice then the top 100 mounts should be in beastmen tribes rewards with a carpet on it and the armors should be there too with different colors at the tip of some part.
I'm sure nobody would complain about that, actually I'm fairly sure that's what people are also asking for, an other option to get something they want too. Even if it's an alternative version.

You are a funny dude because in the end that wouldn't even make sense to do such a thing. The turtle beasttibe gives.... a hellhound??? Please just stop. I in no way said what you are implying so don't say that I did.

Go ahead, quote me on when I ever said the reward should be handed over without effort or achievement. I said I don't care if people get the same stuff as me, also said SE already put an alternative version of once "exclusive rewards" through easy content and I also said gating a reward behind a time restriction is stupid and is not proof of any effort or achievement, woah you were there at the right time, you must be so special...

That is basically what you are saying. Compared to people playing the game since 1.0, competing to be the top 100 or winning in a gear design contest, anything you do to appease casuals would basically be giving it for free.

[Aviars]

I find it sad people just want everything for nothing. Time to tell the gear design winners that the community wants their rewards too for a gold saucer reward.

basically the same whining when the garo event happened for pvp and people whined that they couldn't get the dyeable gear from the gold saucer

Entitled casuals in a nutshell

[Sigiria]

I was going to go your stuff one by one, but it's pointless.

at that point I'm pretty sure you're just a self absorbed kid who just want to stand out, you keep weaving things around.
When we go about how they released again the stuff exclusive from the v1 it's totally fine because it was an alternative version but as I expected when it come to the PVP suddenly even if it's an alternative version it's still the same and shouldn't be done because... reason?

Oh yeah it's dumb because somehow in your head you put it in a way that made no sense with the Kojins. Like they could not introduce a questline that would involve demons or just putting it at some random reward, the point being if it's not the same things as long as it get a slightly different skin you shouldn't mind seeing a different colored hellhound dropping somewhere else.

Anyway I feel bad for once again trying to reason with you, I'm wasting my time as much as if I were to pvp in this game. so go nuts I'm done wasting my time with you

[Aviars]

I was going to go your stuff one by one, but it's pointless. at that point I'm pretty sure you're just a self absorbed kid who just want to stand out, you keep weaving things around.
When we go about how they released again the stuff exclusive from the v1 it's totally fine because it was an alternative version but as I expected when it come to the PVP suddenly even if it's an alternative version it's still the same and shouldn't be done because... reason?

Oh yeah it's dumb because somehow in your head you put it in a way that made no sense with the Kojins. Like they could not introduce a questline that would involve demons or just putting it at some random reward, the point being if it's not the same things as long as it get a slightly different skin you shouldn't mind seeing a different colored hellhound dropping somewhere else.

Anyway I feel bad for once again trying to reason with you, I'm wasting my time as much as if I were to pvp in this game. so go nuts I'm done wasting my time with you

Nah, you are the one who continues to not understand how percentages are relative to rank. A kindergardener getting a A+ on their test compared to a college grad getting a B+ does not mean the kindergardener did better. You refuse to accept that people play the game to get better. If anything you are the kind of person that wants everything to fall on their lap because you already think you are the best player and if you don't do something well then it is the problem of the system. Keep blaming everything but yourself for your shortcomings, in the end, you'll never be happy because you'll always see people doing better than you.

Not everything in the game is made for you, and not everything in the world is meant for you either, about time you grow up and realize that.

[Keridwyn]

I always thought this debate could be solved with better use of titles. We have plenty of vintage titles in the game but I have never seen anyone asking for those. Or would titles and in game trophies not be a good enough reward?

Genuinely curious because this debate shows up every time mounts are added as pvp rewards and it isn't going to stop.

[Aviars]

I always thought this debate could be solved with better use of titles. We have plenty of vintage titles in the game but I have never seen anyone asking for those. Or would titles and in game trophies not be a good enough reward?

Genuinely curious because this debate shows up every time mounts are added as pvp rewards and it isn't going to stop.

You pretty much showed how inconsistent these people are in general. They don't really care about the titles they can't get, but when it's a mount or glam that THEY want then it becomes a problem.

Also notice how no one complains about the trophy being only for one person? It seems most people are not against there being rare rewards, it's more of a problem that SE is releasing something that they want and can't get. Just shows that it is all about them them them and only them

[Awha]

You pretty much showed how inconsistent these people are in general. They don't really care about the titles they can't get, but when it's a mount or glam that THEY want then it becomes a problem. Also notice how no one complains about the trophy being only for one person? It seems most people are not against there being rare rewards, it's more of a problem that SE is releasing something that they want and can't get. Just shows that it is all about them them them and only them

To be honest I really do not see many inconsistent people, I just see people that are sort of sick of this debate. I do not care either way since as I said the item is simply a bonus it is not the reason I do something, I have even mentioned in my first post that people titles should stay unique. Even then if someone wanted an old title I would not be up in arms about it, hell even if I personally wanted something that was removed I would not ask for it to be added I will just go on with my day.

This debate will never end and in the end even if they tossed the items on the mog station ( extreme example ) it does inherently cheapen the value of the reward / title since that value is determined by the one that earned it. In WoW and TOR I no straight up no lifed those games to doing pvp and pve content the memories are what I hold dear remember what I will remember as time goes on. Nothing will ever cheapen what I accomplished / earned in those games even if one day they allow players to buy whatever rare item or title they want.

I play the game because I enjoy it everything else is just a bonus. As I mentioned rewards are nice, but rewards are not the end all be all, and when you place so much value on the rewards topics like this tend to piss you off. As I said I do not do know how bad win trading / carries are in FFXIV, I have always wondered if the rewards had a different means of obtaining them and the titles remained unique would people still bother to win trade / pay for carries.

Though I am a beta cuck that gives into the masses to avoid silly debates, if the request does not have a proven negative impact. I do think people over hype the importance of rewards if the mode is fun enough people will take part despite the rewards, though no one is asking for the rewards to be removed just others are asking for an optional means of getting the items. If they give pvp a Unique title does it really matter if the items are easily attainable later on.