Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[zuzu-bq]

See, I might agree if this applied to other content. Savage mounts aren't exclusive, and become easier the longer you wait. Basically, they do this not to reward PvPers but to desperately beg people to play PvP.

Please people, stop doing this comparison. Savage mounts can be obtained at any time.

[Awha]

I personally do not enjoy pvp in FFXIV however, in tor I received top 3 AC title twice, and top 100 for other seasons before I quit and sold off my account. I understand why players want exclusive rewards, but I can also understand as to why other players would like another means of getting the rewards. In tor as someone who "earned" the rewards I do not care if someone could get the reward some other way.

I think people care too much about the rewards, and underestimate the desire many have to simply be the best. I thoroughly enjoyed the pvp in tor and I would grind out ranks, even after hitting a safe ranked for the items I pushed forward due to the enjoyment. Do not get me wrong the rewards are nice but if they handed out the items to every player I would not have cared because I still had mine in the end. I know for many this will not make sense, but short version I get rewards are nice, but for me personally enjoyment is why I do something not the reward. From experience unique rewards cause people do not some silly shit, like pay someone for an account that has unique pixels. Truth be told I doubt my account would have sold for as much as it did if the pvp reward items were not unique.

Unique titles should be the exclusive content, but when you toss in items that leads a lot of people to do silly shit like pay for carries, win trade etc . . unless you have the player base to avoid such extremes, adding in exclusive items just gives people a reason to try and milk the system for those rewards.

While I am not sure how often they this happens in FFXIV, in tor our guild made most our gil doing 4's carries for pvp reward items. I will always stand by how the experience should be reward enough. I enjoyed the pvp in tor that is why I did it. If you need a unique carrot to queue that is on you not the devs or the player base. All people are asking for is another option, it does not take away from the experience you personally went through to reach your rank.

[Lilseph]

Please people, stop doing this comparison. Savage mounts can be obtained at any time.

And that's exactly the problem.

[Aviars]

Yeah so thank you for validating my point, you sucked for 200 games managed to somehow win less than half of that amount but yeah! you're so skilled to be in the top 100 you did an awesome job to win 75 out of 275 matches while the guy that won 140 out of 275 matches isn't in the top 100 because obviously he's less skilled than you, after all he won 65 more time than you... "Logic!"

How did I validate your point? Maybe the guy who lost more played a job he/she wasn't good at then switched to a job they were more suited to and then started winning. Or they, you know, got better BY PLAYING THE GAME, and then got to a higher rating. Somehow you don't seem to understand such a simple concept.

Yeah there's isn't, but in one of your other post you used the olympics as an example. have you ever seen any real competition that test skill allow you to cancel out one of your losses by doing more matches?
There's indeed a reason why videogames don't do that... because I know it might be a difficult concept to grasp to someone like you who seems to value your performance in one as some kind of life accomplishement, but it's a "game"
They want as much people to play it as long as possible, if you can either be good or sink enough time in it to crawl to the top then it make perfect sense as a buisness decision, but it got nothing to do with promoting skill.

There's a reason e-sport competitions are in a tournament format and not point based buddy.

So you can argue all you want and shut your ears to anyone else believing you're right and everyone else around you is wrong like any self absorbed person, but the truth is you want your reward for the feeling you get when you see someone feel bad because only you get to have something they would have wanted too. Like a kid in a playground with his expensive toy. If it were just to remember or show other that you ranked a title would suffice.

Many video games do do that. A good example is World of Warcraft where previous seasons gladiator mounts are no longer available. Also previous seasons elite gear is no longer available for purchase either. You are just wrong on every level and it's obvious you don't play any game that has structured pvp competition.

It is actually quite sad to watch people who never pvp get so angry over the fact that they don't have access to something in the game and especially ALLERGIC to the idea that someone is better than them because as many people say in these type of threads, they have full time jobs, classes etc, and they don't have time to pvp while people that do get top 100 do have full time jobs/classes just like everyone else.

At this point, everything you guys say is an excuse, and every single season you guys complain about how you don't have access to an item just gets sadder every single time. It isn't even about the fact it is time exclusive, YOU INSTANTLY whine about it and get upset that you aren't good enough to receive items. Get over it, you aren't as good, plain and simple. Or if you do think you can get it, just play the game and you know, get better by doing so. Practice makes perfect!

[Sigiria]

At this point, everything you guys say is an excuse, and every single season you guys complain about how you don't have access to an item just gets sadder every single time. It isn't even about the fact it is time exclusive, YOU INSTANTLY whine about it and get upset that you aren't good enough to receive items. Get over it, you aren't as good, plain and simple. Or if you do think you can get it, just play the game and you know, get better by doing so. Practice makes perfect!

You're free to tell yourself whatever you want to stroke your ego, but I was playin the 5th seasons, did something like 150 fights before getting bored to death by it and moving on. Won more than 60% of my matches playing only nin so yeah you can keep petting yourself in the back but you're nothing special.

Also my point was not about getting the rewards it was about the actual format promoting time investment over skill. Which is something SE love doing.
I'm all for having the rewards gated behind some kind of pvp participation, but time limited rewards are always BS, even more so when only 100 people over a datacenter with about 10k of active players can get it and once again thanks to the amount of matches they played over the amount of win/loses they got. It's an artificial way to make something rare and you know it, that's why you get so whiny when people discuss having them come back. Because you know if people had more time to get it, no matter how difficult it would be then yours wouldn't be that rare anymore and you wouldn't be such a special snowflake.

[Aviars]

You're free to tell yourself whatever you want to stroke your ego, but I was playin the 5th seasons, did something like 150 fights before getting bored to death by it and moving on. Won more than 60% of my matches playing only nin so yeah you can keep petting yourself in the back but you're nothing special.

60% relative to what ranking? You don't seem to get percentages mean nothing, they are all relative to the people you are playing. A good example would be having a 50% winrate in gold vs a 50% winrate in diamond. Does that mean the gold player is doing just as good as the diamond player? 100% no. You just don't understand what a percentage means and it's sad.

Also my point was not about getting the rewards it was about the actual format promoting time investment over skill. Which is something SE love doing.
I'm all for having the rewards gated behind some kind of pvp participation, but time limited rewards are always BS, even more so when only 100 people over a datacenter with about 10k of active players can get it and once again thanks to the amount of matches they played over the amount of win/loses they got. It's an artificial way to make something rare and you know it, that's why you get so whiny when people discuss having them come back. Because you know if people had more time to get it, no matter how difficult it would be then yours wouldn't be that rare anymore and you wouldn't be such a special snowflake.

The only way the format promotes time investment is people playing the game more than others and GETTING BETTER. It is in fact PVP where you are competing against OTHER PEOPLE. People who invest more time in pvp will naturally get better at pvp and eventually get a higher rank. you on the other hand are defeatist and make up excuses on why you weren't able to perform. Just stop, it is sad.

And in the end, it has nothing to do with me wanting to be a special snowflake or w.e. Why should people who had not played a certain season get the rewards associated with that season. Why should they claim the same achievement? There are plenty of other items in this game that are time exclusive that are meant to reward people who played at a certain time, such as the gobbue mount, legacy chocobo and the legacy tatoo. Should YOU be able to claim rewards meant for people for participating in the game at a certain point in time??? I say no.

[Awha]

Should YOU be able to claim rewards meant for people for participating in the game at a certain point in time??? I say no.

I really would not care either way since I would still have the reward. If someone else gets the reward it does not detract from the experience I gained and or went through to get said reward. It would still hold value to me. As I mentioned before I do not personally like FFXIV, but I have earned top tier titles in other games and I honestly would still pvp in that game because I enjoyed it even if they gave the rewards away to everyone that queued happened to queue up once. Though I will say that unique titles should remain exclusive.

[Aviars]

I really do not care either way since I would still have the reward. If someone else gets the reward it does not detract from the experience I gained and or went through to get said reward. It would still hold value to me.

You don't seem to understand that the rewards mentioned were for people who played in 1.0.

Those mounts and character traits are meant to distinguish people who played in 1.0 and not randoms who decide to by it from the mogstation. Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. Stop trying to cheapen achievement by making absolutely everything widely available

[Awha]

You don't seem to understand that the rewards mentioned were for people who played in 1.0.

Those mounts and character traits are meant to distinguish people who played in 1.0 and not randoms who decide to by it from the mogstation. Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. Stop trying to cheapen achievement by making absolutely everything widely available

I do understand, my wow account has a couple of feat of strength achievements, and I have a few rare items that are no longer in the game and I would not care if they added said items back into the or made the rewards from feat of strength achievements easier to obtain at a later date. Since it would not detract from the my personal experience required at the time to get said item or mount. It only cheapens the value if you let it.

If more people having the item cheapen the value of said item to you, journey getting said item must not have been that memorable or valuable in the first place.

[Sigiria]

You keep going on about how I don't understand percentage but keep missing my point, if you had time to play 200 matches loses 110 and win 90 and rank above someone who played 100 and won 70 because it's all he could play then yeah time advantage you. given the same amount of matches the guy with a 70% winrate would most likely have crushed the other one. Thing is he didn't had the same time to invest and didn't get the opportunity to face enough team weaker than his to rack up enough win to steadily manage to store points.

And you're talking about that special gobbue that we were told would be exclusive to the 1.0 as a thanks for playing at that time when they promoted it and once the 2.0 hit got released again as a mount, just without the carpet, as part of the beastmen quest rewards? or the chocobo which is the same one as any other chocobo with black tip feather?

Because yeah I didn't whine about that, I don't really care that other people get to have the same stuff I do, SE can release the tattoo if they want if it gets to make someone's day. I'm not that selfish and that don't take it away from me, nor the fact that I played the V1 of this game.

Also you want me to believe that if they added the PVP season mounts and armors with a different color scheme to a beastmen tribe reward we wouldn't be seeing you whinning about "entitlement" and stuff on the forum?