Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[Dralonis]

This is one reason why I dislike that it's pretty annoying to gear up more than one class at a time. If you like MNK though, you can just use the gear for that, but you can't tell your preferred class will be crap and that people will dislike your class. Very rarely have i seen in other games that it's just outright OK to kick people based on their class and literally no other reason. Making a group isn't all that easy especially if you don't have many friends to help fill those roles. You may get lucky, but not always and would just be nice to join the already made groups, but since there's such a stigma on that, They need to address it by fixing their classes or getting rid of some meta/synergy stuff and just buff some of the classes.

[Neela]

Sadly as long as SE won’t setup a strict grp comp for specific content there will always be a meta no matter how hard they try to balance stuff around... the only way to solve that problem is to change our own mind/opinion/behavior about those metas... there always will be elites or speedrunners who don’t care but if you really wanna change something in the longterm first of all we have to look into ourselfs more than anything else.

[Lorielle]

Let's start with this.

Just be mindful, when I speak of my experiences, it has only been in regards to God Kefka. I've -never- had these issues prior to that. Because the content has pretty much been laughable beforehand. No clear this week yet mind you, so I can only base on my last week logs. There's only what...500 Samurai Parses for God? Versus the thousands for other jobs?

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*Head tilt* Blind ego? Summoner? You mean the class that can out DPS Samurai on no positional while bringing utility? They have issues getting into other parties. Lets bar the fact of creating parties for a moment. Do you think it'd be harder for you to get into another party or not?

Then if you’re supposedly seeing so many Kefka weekly clear parties not wanting a SAM (I still don’t see these and we are on the same data center), make your own. It’s that simple.

You don't see what you don't look for frequently. I'll gladly take screenshots for you if I really need to. It's no skin off my bones. And once more, you've ignored the fact that I DO make them. WHEN the PF is not flooooded with paaaaarties. There is only so much people you can pull for a two chest as the week goes on.

Even if there were parties that were “rampantly blacklisting” SAMs, you can still bypass it by making your own. A party leader is entitled to their own preferences, as you would be entitled to them if you were party leader. Make your own if it’s such an issue.

I don't think people are blacklisting, that's an exaggeration said by someone else. You only get blacklisted by being pushy, bad or something else. And yes, they are entitled to their own preferences. I never said they aren't. The. Issue. Is. That. Due. To. Samurai. Having. No. Synergy. No. Body. Wants. Them.

I’ve joined weekly clear parties from V5S to V7S (since I am still progging V8S) and none have ever blacklisted SAM. I really don’t think it’s as big of an issue as you’re making it out to be. If it is, for the third time: make your own. Your PF, your rules. So what if you have to wait for it to fill? So does every other PF.

Well, you can take it or leave it. Like...I rarely complain about something. If this -wasn't- an issue, you actually wouldn't see such a complaint pop up so often on Forums. Eh, but then again, there have been sillier complaints. I have no real issues -waiting- for something to fill, but it's -stupid- to try to compete for slots when multiple clear/chest parties are up unless slots are filled already and waiting on something in particular. But be mindful, it's typically healer. By that point, all parties are waiting.

Not gonna dupe bard. If there's already a bard in the party, then I'd rather a SAM than a second bard any day of the week. Just how the cookie crumbles.

Ermmahgawd. That's not what I asked. Why would you dupe anything? If you were given the choice of Samurai or Bard, which would you take? I'll answer for you. Bard. Because it Synergizes much better than Samurai. You do know Samurai is laughed at when it come to Parse parties, right? Lol

[Neela]

*Head tilt* Blind ego? Summoner? You mean the class that can out DPS Samurai on no positional while bringing utility? They have issues getting into other parties. Lets bar the fact of creating parties for a moment. Do you think it'd be harder for you to get into another party or not?

yeah definitely blind ego - have u even read what I said...?... yeah it is kinda hard to get a smn or brd spot in an existing party as well not for the same reasons blm or sam are struggling but the result is the same most of the most popular cls have to open up their own party - cause spots are kinda rare for top dps/utility cls cause everybody play them for exact that reason... there is a strong imbalance in supply and demand cause of all the wtj who jump on top-tier cls. so yeah... free your mind and take a look at the overall situation and not just about your own cls before complaining how bad life goes for you...

[Lorielle]

yeah definitely blind ego - have u even read what I said idiot?...

I'm the idiot and you're the one insulting people because someone doesn't agree with you? Real mature fam. *Thumbs up*

But what I was saying is your Class is -for the most part- in demand. There is no -demand- for Samurai. Chance vs. No Chance. You would say its hard for you because someone beat you to the punch. I say it's hard because I wasn't given a chance to be beaten to the punch in the first place.

Of course, perhaps I misinterpreted your post. Feel free to elaborate.

[Neela]

its like talking to toastbread... even though player on your own datacenta claimed you are overreacting and top tier cls claimed they have their own problems to find spots - you are just whining about a problem nearly every cls faced once... in a while. what exactly do u wanna hear from your follow community if not honesty? I don't get your "chance vs. no chance" - in the matter we both have to start our parties from the scratch... uhm.

[Lorielle]

its like talking to toastbread... even though player on your own datacenta claimed you are overreacting and top tier cls claimed they have their own problems to find spots - you are just whining about a problem nearly every cls faced once... in a while. what exactly do u wanna hear from your follow community if not honesty? I don't get your "chance vs. no chance" - in the matter we both have to start our parties from the scratch... uhm.

And I claim the opposite. Why is their word more trustworthy than my own? Is it because you agree with them because it aligns with your views? A little unfair, I think.

What one person experience varies greatly from another person. You may as well say everyone lives the same way in the world with that logic. Their problems finding spots aren't the same as what Samurai goes through(at this current point in time). The -closest- I can remember facing this issue is probably Astrologian back in Gordias as far as -excluding- or not giving them a chance. Actually, probably Machinists too I think. Now, I can at least say I don't recall every single dilemma each class has went through. But the severity of that is unknown to me or rather simply not voiced as loudly.

Not taking "Creating your own party" into consideration. The standard comps I see for God Kefka have been PLD(DRK)/WAR/Healersx2/MNK(DRG)/NIN/SMN(RDM,BLM)/BRD(MCH).
The Chance vs. No Chance is me saying, you, as a SMN have that chance to get into this party. If you do not, it is because someone beat you to it. Or that person has you blacklisted. There is no chance for Samurai here.

Yes, this -can- be rectified by "Creating your own party" but there's many X Factors to consider here which people will say "Just wait it out". A little silly point, I can't really argue that other than saying "Waiting 3-9 hours potentially is a little brutal" which is no more than what one could say "impatient". But the longer you wait, the more time you run out of to get things done.

[Neela]

If Gordios is ur only example... idk what to say... Blm faced the exact problem „2 days ago“... can’t believe ANYONE in this forum have missed those discussions... never the less I’m out of this it’s not worth to talk in cycles cause u don’t want to understand what other try to say. Hf tho and gl with your pfs ^^

[Lorielle]

If Gordios is ur only example... idk what to say... Blm faced the exact problem „2 days ago“... can’t believe ANYONE in this forum have missed those discussions... never the less I’m out of this it’s not worth to talk in cycles cause u don’t want to understand what other try to say. Hf tho and gl with your pfs ^^

^^; I acknowledged everything people have stated and agreed for the most part. I only rebutted saying "There's more to it than that" basically. You never gave examples and instead chose to generalize by saying all classes. I even went and said I don't claim to know every single issue in the game, but you chose to dismiss me as ignorant instead. BLM itself is in a similar spot, but slightly better off than Samurai. Even had a friend tell me he'd take a BLM over SAM, but dislikes them both. But you don't have to believe me on that.

But farewell~

[Dualgunner]

Ermmahgawd. That's not what I asked. Why would you dupe anything? If you were given the choice of Samurai or Bard, which would you take? I'll answer for you. Bard. Because it Synergizes much better than Samurai. You do know Samurai is laughed at when it come to Parse parties, right? Lol

It's what you responded to:

That’s the case with ANY DPS job. I main BRD—what if the BRD spot in a party is taken? Well, I either make my own (where I’m the BRD spot), or find another one. It’s not that hard to just make your own party.

....Umm. You're a BARD. Not a job that is shunned from the community. Who are you going to take into a Parse Party? Samurai or Bard????? It's not hard to make them. But again, there's a myriad of parties competing for a handful of players that -cleared- the content.

In case it's not clear:

HyoMin brought up that bards are popular--in fact, too popular, they are often already taken in pf. So she has to make her own. You respond with "Well you're a bard, you're not shunned" and then asked a rhetorical "Who would you take for a parse run?"

To which I responded, since you never modified HyoMin's original hypothetical: "I'd take SAM, since we already have a BRD in this situation."

Here's a different answer: for a true max parse run? BRD MCH NIN DRG. SAM, MNK, RDM, BLM, and SMN are all left by the wayside. To maximize any of the non meta dps, you'd go full meta minus the job you're maximizing. That, however, includes a lot of feeding a stranger, something I doubt strangers want to do over pf and would rather do within statics.

EDIT: As of 3/9/18, 3:07PM MST, of the 26 parties up under High End on Aether, there is one that doesn't have a slot available for SAM that doesn't also have a SAM already in it.