Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[Neela]

....Umm. You're a BARD. Not a job that is shunned from the community. Who are you going to take into a Parse Party?

could you please take a step back from your blind ego and start thinking about the things you say? The most popular jobs ironically face the same problem than the less popular ones - our spots are always taken as well after login - old age smn speaking here (4.1 hello. \o/ ) - so most of the time those cls have to set their party from the scratch as well. Live is savage you know....

[Lorielle]

Let's start with this.

Just be mindful, when I speak of my experiences, it has only been in regards to God Kefka. I've -never- had these issues prior to that. Because the content has pretty much been laughable beforehand. No clear this week yet mind you, so I can only base on my last week logs. There's only what...500 Samurai Parses for God? Versus the thousands for other jobs?

snippu

*Head tilt* Blind ego? Summoner? You mean the class that can out DPS Samurai on no positional while bringing utility? They have issues getting into other parties. Lets bar the fact of creating parties for a moment. Do you think it'd be harder for you to get into another party or not?

Then if you’re supposedly seeing so many Kefka weekly clear parties not wanting a SAM (I still don’t see these and we are on the same data center), make your own. It’s that simple.

You don't see what you don't look for frequently. I'll gladly take screenshots for you if I really need to. It's no skin off my bones. And once more, you've ignored the fact that I DO make them. WHEN the PF is not flooooded with paaaaarties. There is only so much people you can pull for a two chest as the week goes on.

Even if there were parties that were “rampantly blacklisting” SAMs, you can still bypass it by making your own. A party leader is entitled to their own preferences, as you would be entitled to them if you were party leader. Make your own if it’s such an issue.

I don't think people are blacklisting, that's an exaggeration said by someone else. You only get blacklisted by being pushy, bad or something else. And yes, they are entitled to their own preferences. I never said they aren't. The. Issue. Is. That. Due. To. Samurai. Having. No. Synergy. No. Body. Wants. Them.

I’ve joined weekly clear parties from V5S to V7S (since I am still progging V8S) and none have ever blacklisted SAM. I really don’t think it’s as big of an issue as you’re making it out to be. If it is, for the third time: make your own. Your PF, your rules. So what if you have to wait for it to fill? So does every other PF.

Well, you can take it or leave it. Like...I rarely complain about something. If this -wasn't- an issue, you actually wouldn't see such a complaint pop up so often on Forums. Eh, but then again, there have been sillier complaints. I have no real issues -waiting- for something to fill, but it's -stupid- to try to compete for slots when multiple clear/chest parties are up unless slots are filled already and waiting on something in particular. But be mindful, it's typically healer. By that point, all parties are waiting.

Not gonna dupe bard. If there's already a bard in the party, then I'd rather a SAM than a second bard any day of the week. Just how the cookie crumbles.

Ermmahgawd. That's not what I asked. Why would you dupe anything? If you were given the choice of Samurai or Bard, which would you take? I'll answer for you. Bard. Because it Synergizes much better than Samurai. You do know Samurai is laughed at when it come to Parse parties, right? Lol

[Neela]

*Head tilt* Blind ego? Summoner? You mean the class that can out DPS Samurai on no positional while bringing utility? They have issues getting into other parties. Lets bar the fact of creating parties for a moment. Do you think it'd be harder for you to get into another party or not?

yeah definitely blind ego - have u even read what I said...?... yeah it is kinda hard to get a smn or brd spot in an existing party as well not for the same reasons blm or sam are struggling but the result is the same most of the most popular cls have to open up their own party - cause spots are kinda rare for top dps/utility cls cause everybody play them for exact that reason... there is a strong imbalance in supply and demand cause of all the wtj who jump on top-tier cls. so yeah... free your mind and take a look at the overall situation and not just about your own cls before complaining how bad life goes for you...

[Dualgunner]

Ermmahgawd. That's not what I asked. Why would you dupe anything? If you were given the choice of Samurai or Bard, which would you take? I'll answer for you. Bard. Because it Synergizes much better than Samurai. You do know Samurai is laughed at when it come to Parse parties, right? Lol

It's what you responded to:

That’s the case with ANY DPS job. I main BRD—what if the BRD spot in a party is taken? Well, I either make my own (where I’m the BRD spot), or find another one. It’s not that hard to just make your own party.

....Umm. You're a BARD. Not a job that is shunned from the community. Who are you going to take into a Parse Party? Samurai or Bard????? It's not hard to make them. But again, there's a myriad of parties competing for a handful of players that -cleared- the content.

In case it's not clear:

HyoMin brought up that bards are popular--in fact, too popular, they are often already taken in pf. So she has to make her own. You respond with "Well you're a bard, you're not shunned" and then asked a rhetorical "Who would you take for a parse run?"

To which I responded, since you never modified HyoMin's original hypothetical: "I'd take SAM, since we already have a BRD in this situation."

Here's a different answer: for a true max parse run? BRD MCH NIN DRG. SAM, MNK, RDM, BLM, and SMN are all left by the wayside. To maximize any of the non meta dps, you'd go full meta minus the job you're maximizing. That, however, includes a lot of feeding a stranger, something I doubt strangers want to do over pf and would rather do within statics.

EDIT: As of 3/9/18, 3:07PM MST, of the 26 parties up under High End on Aether, there is one that doesn't have a slot available for SAM that doesn't also have a SAM already in it.

[Lorielle]

It's what you responded to

In what way, shape or form did I say go dupes into a parse party though? If anything, that response was a lack of SUPER clarification to me saying "You're a popular job and well desired job. It's not an issue for you to just go elsewhere." which I assumed was what was my point from the get go, but apparently it was not. Not sure why you felt the need to say "Well, I'm not gonna take dupes. So of course I'd take the Samurai."

And yes, they're well, you know...Prog. Not Weekly Clears. I even stated that Prog parties are a lot more lenient on the restrictions. But when things are tight, like they were the first few weeks and now even, they weren't exactly friendly. And once more, my complaints is literally tying to Kefka alone. I -have not- been met with these restrictions elsewhere. I cannot speak for the others that may have ran into similar experiences.

[Dualgunner]

In what way, shape or form did I say go dupes into a parse party though? If anything, that response was a lack of SUPER clarification to me saying "You're a popular job and well desired job. It's not an issue for you to just go elsewhere." which I assumed was what was my point from the get go, but apparently it was not.

No, it really wasn't apparent if that was your point. The only thing that was apparent to any readers was you responding to her saying "Popular jobs have that problem too, when their job is already taken" with "Well you're a popular job" and immediately segueing into a "What would you rather take for a parse run?"

And yes, they're well, you know...Prog.

Since you offered earlier, please go get screenshots of these anti-SAM parties when they pop up.

Not Weekly Clears. I even stated that Prog parties are a lot more lenient on the restrictions. But when things are tight, like they were the first few weeks and now even, they weren't exactly friendly. And once more, my complaints is literally tying to Kefka alone. I -have not- been met with these restrictions elsewhere. I cannot speak for the others that may have ran into similar experiences.

So you want Square to start addressing issues you can't guarantee anyone but you is having?

[Lorielle]

Since you offered earlier, please go get screenshots of these anti-SAM parties when they pop up.

So you want Square to start addressing issues you can't guarantee anyone but you is having?

I will. I'll probably have to check next week though since at this point in the week, it's probably gonna lighten up due to the crunch for just wanting to clear for a page.

I mean, this is -my particular- experiences with Samurai kicking/Anti-Samurai. How far it goes, only others can say. This isn't my thread even if I made one a while ago. But yes, I do want them do something about their poor balancing. It is their game after all.

[Dualgunner]

I will. I'll probably have to check next week though since at this point in the week, it's probably gonna lighten up due to the crunch for just wanting to clear for a page.

You have my benefit of the doubt.

I mean, this is -my particular- experiences with Samurai kicking/Anti-Samurai. How far it goes, only others can say. This isn't my thread even if I made one a while ago. But yes, I do want them do something about their poor balancing. It is their game after all.

To be honest, I'll admit maybe a bit of bias. Both of my statics have a SAM in them.

And if we're talking balance, SAM could definitely still use help, I won't deny that. I will stand firmly against any punitive measures taken in PF regarding not wanting a specific job to join, ever, for any reason.

[Lorielle]

yeah definitely blind ego - have u even read what I said idiot?...

I'm the idiot and you're the one insulting people because someone doesn't agree with you? Real mature fam. *Thumbs up*

But what I was saying is your Class is -for the most part- in demand. There is no -demand- for Samurai. Chance vs. No Chance. You would say its hard for you because someone beat you to the punch. I say it's hard because I wasn't given a chance to be beaten to the punch in the first place.

Of course, perhaps I misinterpreted your post. Feel free to elaborate.