The general player base needs to improve

[KaivaC]

Completely agree with that. Practicing their single target rotations on a dungeon when they should be playing for the team and AOE the group of mobs sounds selfish and isn't the perfect scenario... but nothing's perfect, ever, honestly. Going as far as to start a vote kick against these players? I say no to that. The only players I've kicked were people that were verbally harassing me or my group or were afk for a reasonable amount of time with no explanation given.

Honestly, it depends. It's one of those case-by-case basis. I won't initiate a vote kick myself over stuff like that. But if somebody else initiates the vote kick, if they've been doing things that make the dungeon run unnecessarily more difficult that I've personally noticed, I'll hit yes. If I haven't noticed it, I don't buy into it. I was encouraged back when I was trying to get my mentor status to kick a player who joined my party - I'll note it was explicitly me asking for a carry on Thordan Ex in the PF in order to obtain my mentor status (this was the only fight I hadn't actually learned). This was many months ago. I guess one of the players had a terribly bad experience with a DPS and they wanted me to kick them because they thought that the DPS was trolling in their last party.

I ignored that, because I don't react to things I don't personally see.

And lo and behold, we got the clear after several wipes, because turns out, that DPS was the one that taught me how to complete that fight. I done went on a completely different subject here...fact is, I don't see everything as cut-and-paste black-and-white. I'd prefer to help other players - if they ignore me, fine, I'll just deal with it. I picked up mentor status to help, though.

...and I totally lost track of why I was originally responding in the first place.

That's new... -_-

[Gallus]

...and I totally lost track of why I was originally responding in the first place.

That's new... -_-

From what I gather, you seem to think there's a problem with the average level of this community. I'm not seeing it.

[KaivaC]

From what I gather, you seem to think there's a problem with the average level of this community. I'm not seeing it.

Pretty sure I'm close to my posting limit, so I'll leave this here until my limit resets. While you may not see a problem, a lot of us do. Take a look through this thread and you'll see players, vets and sprouts, who have basically said that, yes, we might just have a problem. A week's worth of Rabanastre runs shouldn't produce as many wipes on Mateus and Hashmal as it does. I'll give a pass on the Crystal Tower because, well, for one, it's not exactly obvious how to find it, and two, players coming into the SB expansion likely skipped a lot of the optional content in ARR to get here. That's why I said what I said. That's why I'm defending this position, and that's why I engage in conversation about ideas and suggestions.