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    Transient_Shadow's Avatar
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    Scholar Lv 90
    everyone learns at their own pace. I don't see how it people should 'belong' in any category of play style. This borders on elitist. Not everyone will be as grand a player as you. Nor should they be expected to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow View Post
    This borders on elitist.
    And there it is. I knew eventually, someone was going to say this line here. Define elitist for me, ya? Because I myself am not this so-called GRAND PLAYER that you've called me. I struggle with DRG. I haven't cleared O7S. I used to die quite often to leg sweep in Byakko Ex. And yet, I'm still able to pick up my own slack, learn from my mistakes, and keep on. Is it elitist to ask for players to play a tad bit better in relevant content like Rabanastre and Primals?

    Is it elitist to turn to the community and ask for suggestions and open discussion on what we can do?

    For as many folks who have come here looking for an argument, not a single one of those detractors provided any way to help improve our player base when I directly asked them about it. Instead, they take a white-knight position and reject any concept of discussion, wanting to sit here and argue instead. I've never asked for players to be anywhere close to savage level experts. Barring computer issues and disabilities, how is asking how to improve the community being elitist? When I ask for players to go from below-average to average, that's the concept of elitism? Really?
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    Lace Valeria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow View Post
    This borders on elitist.
    No, it doesn't. And just as much as the general playerbase needs to improve, people need to stop throwing that word around improperly.

    An elitist wouldn't be open to discussing the matter; they'd simply write everyone off as bad by their own standards and leave it at that. An elitist wouldn't offer any advice nor be receptive to it. The OP wants for more players to be capable of the reasonable standard, not their standard. When I say reasonable standard, I mean a standard generally agreed to be normal and viable for most sub-Savage content; a standard that doesn't require the devs to have to attempt to simplify the game or hold back ideas so as not to overwhelm players. An elitist would simply set fire to this thread and give no care or concern to any responses, and that's not what the OP did at all.

    Stop using "elitist" as the catch all term for someone that can identify when people are performing sub-standard and speaks up about it. That just doesn't apply here.
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