The WOL and Mass Murder

[KaivaC]

Assuming that FFXIV runs that far, is it really murder in war? It's not like the WoL is going out and seeking things to kill (in MSQ, that is). I highly doubt that the WoL is going to end up like the Warriors of Darkness. And it isn't as if story-wise, the WoL cares about politics. Why should we be held accountable when it's the Eorzean Alliance and various factions throughout that pointed us, the gun, at particular enemies and shot it?

[SenorPatty]

I think that would depend on if WoL's group comes out on top and how the political and sociological views of the people change. In real life, following orders to a T to benefit to ones own country does not mean you're exempt from accountability if committing a war crime. I imagine if the Garleans were to be victorious in the war, WoL would indeed be charged as a war criminal and executed or imprisoned to siphon our powers.

Exactly. I do not disagree with that. My point however is directed at the OP here and his concern that the WoL is an unaccountable mass murderer. That would imply the WoL is written as an un-allied self-serving individual who indiscriminately kills people left and right.

[Kukajoo]

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I didn't mean to imply were killing for the hell of it, i know its war and were acting on orders. What i was trying to get at was the possibility of a political situation at the brink of the end of war, if a scapegoat was needed to take a fall to seal the peace between garlemald and the rest of the world. The WOL could easily fill that slot. It's easy to dismiss this kind of thinking if you're thinking in terms of modern warfare. Eorzea is far from modern however.

[Ilenya]

I didn't mean to imply were killing for the hell of it, i know its war and were acting on orders. What i was trying to get at was the possibility of a political situation at the brink of the end of war, if a scapegoat was needed to take a fall to seal the peace between garlemald and the rest of the world. The WOL could easily fill that slot. It's easy to dismiss this kind of thinking if you're thinking in terms of modern warfare. Eorzea is far from modern however.

I would find it a little out of character for the leaders to throw the WoL under the bus like that, personally. The only situation I could see where that would happen is if something we did caused the Garleans to just run over the rest of the Eorzean Alliance.

[Newmanxeno]

After I save this dumb planet I’m definitely taking it over.

[Dualblade]

Soooo...why would our allies turn on us for being to powerful? Many of them are plenty powerful themselves with Raubahn being around our level not-quite-holding-back-level AFTER getting an arm cut off. The only reason they need us is because we have the Echo and thus can't be temepered, if many of our allies had the Echo, or even had it AND us things would be much easier all around. The Primals would be a much lesser deal and thus resources could be focused more on other issues like the Garleans.

We became the WoL because of the Echo. People come to rely on us because we are the best option due to this, and from there see how we can be applied in other situations as well. We aren't just a chess piece though because we have also become allies via organizations as well, with the closest one wo viewed as such was more via childish arrogance that was snuffed out in, not exactly the most ideal way but certainly caused him to grow. As well the closest we have been to our allies turning on us was 2.55...where it was made very clear NOONE believed we were responsible for what happened and thus doesn't even matter at all. Its also been made very clear that our help in both ending the Dragonsong War AND making peace possible for the two sides of the war pretty much makes (most) of Ishgard our staunchest of allies.

[Kukajoo]

I would find it a little out of character for the leaders to throw the WoL under the bus like that, personally. The only situation I could see where that would happen is if something we did caused the Garleans to just run over the rest of the Eorzean Alliance.

Or something like what Krotoan said could happen, a manipulation of public opinion via propoganda and so on.

4.2 spoilers

The Garlean ambassador we just met (cant remember his name for the life of me) may also try to sully the WOL's rep, he's already openly admitted his hatred of us but i severely doubt his battle will be fought in any form of physicality

[FallenArisen0990]

I just want a storyline where I can be an Onee-chan.

[Ilenya]

Or something like what Krotoan said could happen, a manipulation of public opinion via propoganda and so on.

4.2 spoilers

The Garlean ambassador we just met (cant remember his name for the life of me) may also try to sully the WOL's rep, he's already openly admitted his hatred of us but i severely doubt his battle will be fought in any form of physicality

That would be one hell of a manipulation, since apparently killing the Sultana didn't even cause the public's faith in us to waver. I can't even for the life of me imagine a situation where a Garlean of all people could drum up that sort of propaganda.

[Dualblade]

That would be one hell of a manipulation, since apparently killing the Sultana didn't even cause the public's faith in us to waver. I can't even for the life of me imagine a situation where a Garlean of all people could drum up that sort of propaganda.

To be fair here, it was ATTEMPTED murder that most of atleast Ul'Dah's public knew of. That it turned out to actually be that (even though it still wasn't us) doesn't change that the conspiracy was to blame us for her actualy murder and that part was a failure from the start.

The Garleans, however, COULD make the faith of Orthard's people turn against us since we aren't quite as well-known as a heroic figure there. Of where we can currently visit that would mostly only concern our rep in Kugane though.