The WOL and Mass Murder

[Kukajoo]

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I didn't mean to imply were killing for the hell of it, i know its war and were acting on orders. What i was trying to get at was the possibility of a political situation at the brink of the end of war, if a scapegoat was needed to take a fall to seal the peace between garlemald and the rest of the world. The WOL could easily fill that slot. It's easy to dismiss this kind of thinking if you're thinking in terms of modern warfare. Eorzea is far from modern however.

[Ilenya]

I didn't mean to imply were killing for the hell of it, i know its war and were acting on orders. What i was trying to get at was the possibility of a political situation at the brink of the end of war, if a scapegoat was needed to take a fall to seal the peace between garlemald and the rest of the world. The WOL could easily fill that slot. It's easy to dismiss this kind of thinking if you're thinking in terms of modern warfare. Eorzea is far from modern however.

I would find it a little out of character for the leaders to throw the WoL under the bus like that, personally. The only situation I could see where that would happen is if something we did caused the Garleans to just run over the rest of the Eorzean Alliance.

[Kukajoo]

I would find it a little out of character for the leaders to throw the WoL under the bus like that, personally. The only situation I could see where that would happen is if something we did caused the Garleans to just run over the rest of the Eorzean Alliance.

Or something like what Krotoan said could happen, a manipulation of public opinion via propoganda and so on.

4.2 spoilers

The Garlean ambassador we just met (cant remember his name for the life of me) may also try to sully the WOL's rep, he's already openly admitted his hatred of us but i severely doubt his battle will be fought in any form of physicality

[Ilenya]

Or something like what Krotoan said could happen, a manipulation of public opinion via propoganda and so on.

4.2 spoilers

The Garlean ambassador we just met (cant remember his name for the life of me) may also try to sully the WOL's rep, he's already openly admitted his hatred of us but i severely doubt his battle will be fought in any form of physicality

That would be one hell of a manipulation, since apparently killing the Sultana didn't even cause the public's faith in us to waver. I can't even for the life of me imagine a situation where a Garlean of all people could drum up that sort of propaganda.

[Dualblade]

That would be one hell of a manipulation, since apparently killing the Sultana didn't even cause the public's faith in us to waver. I can't even for the life of me imagine a situation where a Garlean of all people could drum up that sort of propaganda.

To be fair here, it was ATTEMPTED murder that most of atleast Ul'Dah's public knew of. That it turned out to actually be that (even though it still wasn't us) doesn't change that the conspiracy was to blame us for her actualy murder and that part was a failure from the start.

The Garleans, however, COULD make the faith of Orthard's people turn against us since we aren't quite as well-known as a heroic figure there. Of where we can currently visit that would mostly only concern our rep in Kugane though.

[Ilenya]

To be fair here, it was ATTEMPTED murder that most of atleast Ul'Dah's public knew of. That it turned out to actually be that (even though it still wasn't us) doesn't change that the conspiracy was to blame us for her actualy murder and that part was a failure from the start.

The Garleans, however, COULD make the faith of Orthard's people turn against us since we aren't quite as well-known as a heroic figure there. Of where we can currently visit that would mostly only concern our rep in Kugane though.

Yeah, but at the point in Othard, why would they believe the Garleans? Unless they can successfully convince Hien (unlikely) or have him assassinated and the blame placed at our feet (likely, I suppose) there's no real way for them to win that stance.

Also, pretty sure most of Othard would be aware of the Adventurer who stormed the castle with Hien...

Actually, there is potentially another way, but it'd be interesting if SE went there. There is a non-zero chance that the Garleans have access to some sort of cloning procedure or some means to copy the appearance of another person. I could see them doing that to the PC and having the copy kill Hien. That would basically push us out of the public trust in Othard, if nothing else. It'd be a lot harder to force opinion in Eorzea, due to our connections with the leaders, but losing Othard could happen.

[Musashidon]

but losing Othard could happen.

i am on the opposite side of this, as there is no way (in my opinion) othard would side against us.

1 we aren't just friends with hien but two of the top ranking officers meaning all 3 would need to be disposed of and also it would have to be done with us not around as we are op and would stop it /be there to prove other wise

2 just like you said we saved doma completely

3 you have the steppe area which we are part of the current leading clan which is required to stand by our side no matter the view

4 ruby sea is a neutral spot that loathes the empire and would never help them especially with a war criminal who they are after/ the others are living underwater and know/don't really fight anyways.

also a 5th for kugane as it is also a neutral zone where even the garleans have to follow the rules i don't see them turning sides either ( think we even had a issue during 4.0 storyline that brought up how even though they were right there we couldn't do anything due to the neutral zone rules)

[FallenArisen0990]

That would be one hell of a manipulation, since apparently killing the Sultana didn't even cause the public's faith in us to waver. I can't even for the life of me imagine a situation where a Garlean of all people could drum up that sort of propaganda.

No, the only ones to know about that event, were the ones in that very room. The public had no clue about this "attempt" as word was spread that she was bedridden because of an illness.

[Ilenya]

No, the only ones to know about that event, were the ones in that very room. The public had no clue about this "attempt" as word was spread that she was bedridden because of an illness.

You can talk to NPCs around the map after that who comment on things regardless. People who know the story still don't believe it just because of who you are.