Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[akaneakki]

Playing samurai doesn't make you a good dps, making you a good dps is playing the class correct/good. Too many samurais does less than NIN and that's a crazy thing. I agree that people only kick samurai because of the sake of what others think of them, I have no issues with samurais, unless it's a speed comp group. But in most cases it's not so samurai is fine to have around, unless the player is really bad.

The only times I've seen SAMs being kicked is when they refuse to use diversion.

This is not a sam concern most of the time, more like dps concern.

[Mavrias]

This isnt just a SAM problem. I have encountered issued like this playing my BLM. I even got votekicked out of a EX Roulette as soon as everyone was loaded in :/

I get that you want to be oppressed so bad but at least make sure your lie is possible. You can't be kicked before 5 minutes have passed in the duty.

[KaivaC]

If you're with a DRG/NIN, aren't they also buffing the SAM?

SAM brings no utility. If they aren't doing the most damage in the party, they are a wasted slot. That's not trying to be elitist. That's how the job is designed. The only job a good SAM should have to fight against is a good BLM.

I don't play NIN, but I've played with NINs. What buff are you talking about, as far as DRG goes? Battle Litany affects the whole party. If you're talking about the Sight, that's highly dependent on the DRG and who they choose to give the Sight to. Ideally, whomever is putting out the best DPS + has their own damage up buff.

I'm not arguing that SAM has no utility, but a SAM shouldn't be automatically kicked from an open DPS party finder group just because of that. If it's a premade, sure, do whatever you'd like. If you don't want a SAM, adjust the slots so you don't get a SAM entering your group. On that matter, BLMs don't bring any utility either. Yet I'm constantly seeing them in many groups progging through current endgame content.

[Rasikko]

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It's not that you're being kicked because you are a SAM. You're being kicked because you have no abilities that can carry the slackers. Call me cynical, but I believe that these days, that if folks can leech, they will take whatever means they can get their hands on that can facilitate it.

[Jijifli]

I don't play NIN, but I've played with NINs. What buff are you talking about, as far as DRG goes? Battle Litany affects the whole party. If you're talking about the Sight, that's highly dependent on the DRG and who they choose to give the Sight to. Ideally, whomever is putting out the best DPS + has their own damage up buff.

I'm not arguing that SAM has no utility, but a SAM shouldn't be automatically kicked from an open DPS party finder group just because of that. If it's a premade, sure, do whatever you'd like. If you don't want a SAM, adjust the slots so you don't get a SAM entering your group. On that matter, BLMs don't bring any utility either. Yet I'm constantly seeing them in many groups progging through current endgame content.

You stated a DRG/NIN team can own a good chunk of the dps so SAM can't be at top dps. To start, if you have a SAM with the NIN/DRG to compare, then isn't most of that utility going to boost the SAM's damage too? You even said it, Litany is aoe, and for NIN, Trick boosts everyone's damage.

And if you don't have a DRG/NIN team to compare in that party, why are you comparing someone to dps that aren't in the party? Shouldn't you focus more on how much they're doing in the party? When the AST is outdamaging the SAM maybe they shouldn't be in the party.

[AppleJinx]

Difference in play style is a perfectly valid reason for kicking you out of the groups which they have created in the first place. You are the one that should be checking your privilege for going as far as reporting people for it.

[Altera]

I get that you want to be oppressed so bad but at least make sure your lie is possible. You can't be kicked before 5 minutes have passed in the duty.

I wrote shortly after as I admitted i remembered it wrong. It wasnt AS we loaded, but it was before we even did the first trash pull. Tank and Healer was DCed upon loading in. When they came back and we ran to the first trash mobs in the Temple of the Fist dungeon, they votekicked me as we ran up the first stair. I just said as we loaded as i remembered it was so early in the dungeon.

[Miste]

I wrote shortly after as I admitted i remembered it wrong. It wasnt AS we loaded, but it was before we even did the first trash pull. Tank and Healer was DCed upon loading in. When they came back and we ran to the first trash mobs in the Temple of the Fist dungeon, they votekicked me as we ran up the first stair. I just said as we loaded as i remembered it was so early in the dungeon.

Okay.

What was said in party chat before you were kicked? Do you have a screenshot of it?

Did they specifically say "we are vote kicking you because you are a BLM"?

[Crysten]

You show me a person that'll kick me for being a SAM when I'm top of the parse and I'll show them my blacklist and middle finger.

[KaivaC]

You stated a DRG/NIN team can own a good chunk of the dps so SAM can't be at top dps.

I literally never said or implied that about a SAM. At all.

You even said it, Litany is aoe, and for NIN, Trick boosts everyone's damage.

I don't NIN (yet), but if I recall, you can only pull off a Trick at the beginning of a fight, because of Hide, right? If that's the case, the Trick only boosts damage if everybody is attacking from the rear. Which...doesn't really help classes that don't have rear potencies or True North.

And if you don't have a DRG/NIN team to compare in that party, why are you comparing someone to dps that aren't in the party? Shouldn't you focus more on how much they're doing in the party? When the AST is outdamaging the SAM maybe they shouldn't be in the party.

What are you talking about? Quit putting words in my mouth - you quoted me, you show me exactly where I am comparing things. Since you seem to be...I dunno, misquoting me, or picking words from wherever and just making arguments that I haven't even said, how about I clarify this (even though I thought I was pretty clear when I originally posted in this thread): if someone is willing to kick a SAM from a PF with no job restrictions aside from double classes, then that person is an idiot. If they don't want a SAM, then restrict the class before setting up a PF. If an AST is outdamaging a SAM, then that is a major problem on the part of the SAM because AST is more of a support healer than a damaging healer. Generally. But I have no idea why you even brought up the AST argument when I didn't even compare classes in the first place.