Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[AmaSagahl]

@KDSilver

My friend, MNK even got buffed with 4.2.; Samurai is in a worse spot now than it ever was. So a lot of this crying is justified, and it was exactly the same with MNK.

You are right though about the kicking - people block it beforehand.

[KDSilver]

People on forums like complaining for nothing and create unecessary exagerrating drama scenario from nowhere.

If it happens to her it doesn't mean that's a SAM problem.

[Joe777]

People on forums like complaining for nothing and create unecessary exagerrating drama scenario from nowhere.

If it happens to her it doesn't mean that's a SAM problem.

Of course it isn't a SAM problem, but people want to blame the job anyway. The job is the means to the end for these particular social dilemmas between player groups.

[Dejavu56]

Any SAM dies of gimmick and dps lower than 1st place should be kicked, just saying.
But if getting kicked before the raid begin, its mostly because repeat job.
(MNK looked as the same job with SAM, and the former performs quite well in this patch, so you know, priority thing matter.)

[KaivaC]

Any SAM dies of gimmick and dps lower than 1st place should be kicked, just saying.

That's a bit of an elitist statement. You obviously haven't seen what a really good BLM has been able to put out lately. Not to mention that with the right setup, a DRG/NIN team can outright own a good chunk of the DPS. If you are the type that kicks for a SAM not being in first place, then wow...

But if getting kicked before the raid begin, its mostly because repeat job.

If it's a PF, in a lot of cases, the PL should be excluding jobs before starting the PF, and adjusting it as players join to avoid the double job problems. I can understand with something like Byakko because of the current skills of a lot of players, it's currently not consistently possible to survive the second tiger without a tank LB. So yeah, I can agree with the double jobs not being allowed.

[Jijifli]

That's a bit of an elitist statement. You obviously haven't seen what a really good BLM has been able to put out lately. Not to mention that with the right setup, a DRG/NIN team can outright own a good chunk of the DPS. If you are the type that kicks for a SAM not being in first place, then wow...

If you're with a DRG/NIN, aren't they also buffing the SAM?

SAM brings no utility. If they aren't doing the most damage in the party, they are a wasted slot. That's not trying to be elitist. That's how the job is designed. The only job a good SAM should have to fight against is a good BLM.

[KaivaC]

If you're with a DRG/NIN, aren't they also buffing the SAM?

SAM brings no utility. If they aren't doing the most damage in the party, they are a wasted slot. That's not trying to be elitist. That's how the job is designed. The only job a good SAM should have to fight against is a good BLM.

I don't play NIN, but I've played with NINs. What buff are you talking about, as far as DRG goes? Battle Litany affects the whole party. If you're talking about the Sight, that's highly dependent on the DRG and who they choose to give the Sight to. Ideally, whomever is putting out the best DPS + has their own damage up buff.

I'm not arguing that SAM has no utility, but a SAM shouldn't be automatically kicked from an open DPS party finder group just because of that. If it's a premade, sure, do whatever you'd like. If you don't want a SAM, adjust the slots so you don't get a SAM entering your group. On that matter, BLMs don't bring any utility either. Yet I'm constantly seeing them in many groups progging through current endgame content.

[Jijifli]

I don't play NIN, but I've played with NINs. What buff are you talking about, as far as DRG goes? Battle Litany affects the whole party. If you're talking about the Sight, that's highly dependent on the DRG and who they choose to give the Sight to. Ideally, whomever is putting out the best DPS + has their own damage up buff.

I'm not arguing that SAM has no utility, but a SAM shouldn't be automatically kicked from an open DPS party finder group just because of that. If it's a premade, sure, do whatever you'd like. If you don't want a SAM, adjust the slots so you don't get a SAM entering your group. On that matter, BLMs don't bring any utility either. Yet I'm constantly seeing them in many groups progging through current endgame content.

You stated a DRG/NIN team can own a good chunk of the dps so SAM can't be at top dps. To start, if you have a SAM with the NIN/DRG to compare, then isn't most of that utility going to boost the SAM's damage too? You even said it, Litany is aoe, and for NIN, Trick boosts everyone's damage.

And if you don't have a DRG/NIN team to compare in that party, why are you comparing someone to dps that aren't in the party? Shouldn't you focus more on how much they're doing in the party? When the AST is outdamaging the SAM maybe they shouldn't be in the party.

[aeoncs]

Any SAM dies of gimmick and dps lower than 1st place should be kicked, just saying.

The only job a good SAM should have to fight against is a good BLM.

Ah, yes. The official forums where ignorance is bliss. SAM gets shit on by BLM in every possible scenario (with the exception being V6S) and only beats Summoner in V6S and V8S. I mean, in Byakko EX SAM is like 4th to 5th place right now.

Topic: TC, if people are seriously kicking you for the job you're playing, which I've never experienced myself, they're not the kind of people you want to be clearing/farming stuff with anyway - they're most likely the same people who threaten with a kick for messing up while dying to every third mechanic themselves.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Ah, yes. The official forums where ignorance is bliss. SAM gets shit on by BLM in every possible scenario (with the exception being V6S) and only beats Summoner in V6S and V8S. I mean, in Byakko EX SAM is like 4th to 5th place right now.

Im curious as to what most BLMs and SAMs are doing there. the BLm we picked up in a clear PT last night did 7k DPS.