Growing tired of this Stigma

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not trying to start something here. I could just be ignorant of this topic.

So if a SAM pulls 6k raid DPS, and a Ninja pulls 6k raid DPS. Shouldn't that be fair?

They both achieved the same DPS amount. They just had different ways of getting there.

SAM got there by using personal DPS.

NIN got there by adding the amount of damage they provided to the group to their personal.

To me, I feel like...why should SAM be the highest DPS in the game period. Personal DPS, yes. But I feel like asking for SAM to be higher than Jobs that have their personal DPS added to their utility DPS is just asking for SAM to be the best in dps - period.

Is it not balanced if they both achieve the same goal, but have different ways of getting there?

No worries!

A NIN provides support outside damage with Smokescreen and Shadewalker. The former can be invaluable due to the frequency of boss aggro resets lately or WHM generating a massive amount of hate. Another factor to consider is if we swap out the SAM for a DRG, what changes? The DRG's DPS will be approximately 5,400-5,600 but the whole raid now benefits from Litany, the NIN will likely get Dragon Sight several times throughout the fight, upping their numbers and the BRD's DPS will jump 500-600 points. All this combined leads to noticeably higher raid DPS than what a SAM can offer. They can only really compete if an AST feeds cards since selfish jobs benefit more from single targets, though you usually want to avoid padding one person.

When RDM/SMN gets swapped out for MCH, that is another boost DRG offers on top of everything above (And why I think they need to do away with Piercing). Basically, SAMs have to be borderline flawless to achieve comparable numbers to jobs with far better utility. And this is only using NIN, who has weak personal DPS. MNK, on the other hand, actually out damages SAM in all categories while bringing Mantra.

I also dug a bit deeper. The SAM parsed with his 375 weapon while the NIN still only had her 350 crafted. So all things made equal, she would actually out-dps him.

[Faeon]

No worries!

A NIN provides support outside damage with Smokescreen and Shadewalker.The former can be invaluable due to the frequency of boss aggro resets lately or WHM generating a massive amount of hate. Another factor to consider is if we swap out the SAM for a DRG, what changes? The DRG's DPS will be approximately 5,400-5,600 but the whole raid now benefits from Litany, the NIN will likely get Dragon Sight several times throughout the fight, upping their numbers and the BRD's DPS will jump 500-600 points. You can see this with other parses too; BRDs surpassing 6k. The only way for a SAM to compete is if an AST feeds them cards since they benefit the most from a single target Balance.

When RDM/SMN gets swapped out for MCH, that is another boost DRG offers on top of everything above (And why I think they need to do away with Piercing). Basically, SAMs have to be borderline flawless to achieve comparable numbers to jobs with far better utility. And this is only using NIN, who has weak personal DPS. MNK, on the other hand, actually out damages SAM in all categories while bringing Mantra.

I also dug a bit deeper. The SAM parsed with his 375 weapon while the NIN still only had her 350 crafted. So all things made equal, she would actually out-dps him.

Ya same comment as I made about the utility. This is also where problems come in because the player base as I said are looking at the individual but SE balance around total raid dps.then this becomes a back and forth issue and then certain jobs getting left behind. Currently, some groups are bringing MCH, BRD, NIN, DRG this is a crit based composition. So yea I don't know what SE can do about it tbh! but if they do it will have to be something that upsets the current structures

[TraeSnow]

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I see now, I feel kind of silly now that I completely forgot to factor non damage utility in. But yea, I get the point you were making now. Thanks.