Growing tired of this Stigma

[Faeon]

Not trying to start something here. I could just be ignorant of this topic.

So if a SAM pulls 6k raid DPS, and a Ninja pulls 6k raid DPS. Shouldn't that be fair?

They both achieved the same DPS amount. They just had different ways of getting there.

SAM got there by using personal DPS.

NIN got there by adding the amount of damage they provided to the group to their personal.

To me, I feel like...why should SAM be the highest DPS in the game period. Personal DPS, yes. But I feel like asking for SAM to be higher than Jobs that have their personal DPS added to their utility DPS is just asking for SAM to be the best in dps - period.

Is it not balanced if they both achieve the same goal, but have different ways of getting there?

Higher because they bring nothing to the raid, currently NIN brings smoke screen, shade and trick. That makes it super valuable in a raid while a SAM brings nothing at all. So in terms of DPS a SAM should be at the top by along shot.

[Zojha]

Higher because they bring nothing to the raid, currently NIN brings smoke screen, shade and trick.

...all of which are accounted in "Raid DPS".

Separate these two:
Personal DPS is the total amount of DPS you personally do.
Raid DPS is personal DPS plus any DPS the group as a whole gains from your utility spells.

For a person without utility spells, personal DPS equals raid DPS. For a person with utility spells, it doesn't. All that guy is saying is that the number you need to equalize is raid DPS rather than personal DPS. Which... is pretty much common sense and hopefully the balancing ideal of people.

[Faeon]

...all of which are accounted in "Raid DPS".

Separate these two:
Personal DPS is the total amount of DPS you personally do.
Raid DPS is personal DPS plus any DPS the group as a whole gains from your utility spells.

For a person without utility spells, personal DPS equals raid DPS. For a person with utility spells, it doesn't. All that guy is saying is that the number you need to equalize is raid DPS rather than personal DPS. Which... is pretty much common sense and hopefully the balancing ideal of people.

All good and well, but the player base does not care about overall DPS, that is why we have this meta everywhere nowadays.When you are clearing content the groups raid leader is not looking at the total amount that the group is doing at the top of his list, first is the tank in tank stance the whole time, is the healer dps'ing, the difference between the NIN and a DRG is a 1000 dps difference, must be the DRG he is not pulling his weight, the healer is only doing 200 dps, healer more dps please.

Do you see where this is going? I understand the point that you are trying to make.But in the end, it is the individual is what people are looking at regardless and there own interpretation of what that particular job should do. If the NIN and the SAM had the exact same dps and the exact same utilities, then it will be slightly different I reckon.