Growing tired of this Stigma

[AcaciaTyrannia]

Sam and BLM work so long as their damage is higher than alternative jobs. It just so happens that if you look at FFlogs 90th%+ parses on EVERY sigmascape savage party, BLM and SAM are the highest. So what's the problem?

Like i said earlier, I have NEVER been excluded from anything because I was BLM or SAM, so i have a hard time believing there are people out there they'll kick you from a party because of that.

But I have an EASY time believing, OP just didn't do enough damage to justify his/her spot, and got kicked for that. Which, I mean... Can you blame them? You'd kick a healer for not healing.

[HyoMinPark]

Sam and BLM work so long as their damage is higher than alternative jobs. It just so happens that if you look at FFlogs 90th%+ parses on EVERY sigmascape savage party, BLM and SAM are the highest. So what's the problem?

The problem lies with jobs that offer utility straight-up out-damaging the selfish jobs, or being right on their tail. There is an O6S parse where an orange-tier BLM only outDPS’d an orange-tier SMN by 200, and the BLM had 13 Balances. The SMN had 7~8 Balances. That’s a problem, when you take two consistent, high-level players, and the “selfish DPS” only pulls ahead by 200 DPS with double the amount of padding.

[Rita1989]

The problem lies with jobs that offer utility straight-up out-damaging the selfish jobs, or being right on their tail. There is an O6S parse where an orange-tier BLM only outDPS’d an orange-tier SMN by 200, and the BLM had 13 Balances. The SMN had 7~8 Balances. That’s a problem, when you take two consistent, high-level players, and the “selfish DPS” only pulls ahead by 200 DPS with double the amount of padding.

Who cares though all these meta essays you keep writing throughout this thread are completely irrelevant outside of less then 5% of the community.

The problem is with the rest of the community who thinks they are part of that 5% rather then the jobs themselves

[HyoMinPark]

Who cares though all these meta essays you keep writing throughout this thread are completely irrelevant outside of less then 5% of the community.

The problem is with the rest of the community who thinks they are part of that 5% rather then the jobs themselves

Apparently the people who argue with me care. /shrug

My “essays” seem pretty relevant, because there is a reason why the meta has been the meta since Creator, and why jobs like BLM and SAM will continue to fall short compared to meta jobs unless SE actually makes them selfish DPS that spit out a crapton of personal DPS over any job that offers utility. BLM is better than it was a patch ago, but it still isn’t competitive enough to kill the NIN/DRG/BRD/MCH meta. SAM isn’t in a good state right now because the devs don’t seem to see the need to actually make it a selfish DPS—MNKs are doing more damage overall over a SAM, and offer utility.

And maybe it only applies to the very top-end of content, but if there was nothing to complain about, there wouldn’t be threads every other day on here or on reddit complaining about it.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Who cares though all these meta essays you keep writing throughout this thread are completely irrelevant outside of less then 5% of the community.

The problem is with the rest of the community who thinks they are part of that 5% rather then the jobs themselves

it's not irrelevant because the content that those 5% of the community are doing is how the jobs are balanced and changed. The devs certainly don't balance jobs based on dungeons and story trials, they're balanced on savage/extreme content. and if 95% of the community aren't aware of how the jobs are balanced, maybe this information is actually useful for people looking to get into savage/extreme.

[Rita1989]

it's not irrelevant because the content that those 5% of the community are doing is how the jobs are balanced and changed. The devs certainly don't balance jobs based on dungeons and story trials, they're balanced on savage/extreme content. and if 95% of the community aren't aware of how the jobs are balanced, maybe this information is actually useful for people looking to get into savage/extreme.

Again content in the game is balanced so pretty much any party composition is able to clear extreme/savage content.

The only 2 groups that META is truly important to are world first and speed running outside that if your excluding someone who is good at their job simply because their job isn't "META" then they are just a elitist and it's best to just to ignore and move on.

In the end no matter what they do one job is going to be mathematically last or a certain party composition will be always be the best.

[ToasterMan]

Did MNK get buffed because it was seen as underpowered as a whole or was it just because people thought SAM was better?

I remember people screaming that SAM was OP back in 4.0. I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of that nonsense.

[Faeon]

Did MNK get buffed because it was seen as underpowered as a whole or was it just because people thought SAM was better?

I remember people screaming that SAM was OP back in 4.0. I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of that nonsense.

Yes, brotherhood now apply the buff to them, when before it did not.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Sam and BLM work so long as their damage is higher than alternative jobs. It just so happens that if you look at FFlogs 90th%+ parses on EVERY sigmascape savage party, BLM and SAM are the highest. So what's the problem?

Those are personal damage calculations. Dragoon has lower personal DPS but provides upwards over 600+ rDPS; more if you run both Bard and Machinist. The argument lies that utility buffs wind up contributing more overall damage than selfish jobs can produce. And this isn't even accounting for support utility like Refresh.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

Those are personal damage calculations. Dragoon has lower personal DPS but provides upwards over 600+ rDPS; more if you run both Bard and Machinist. The argument lies that utility buffs wind up contributing more overall damage than selfish jobs can produce. And this isn't even accounting for support utility like Refresh.

A samurai and a black mage should be more than 600 DPS above a dragoon. I did take rDPS into account hun. Summoner and monk are the only kinks in that logic. They both offer strong utility and damage output close to the 'Pure' damage dealers. But, what can we do about it. shrug.

I just play what I like and play it as optimally as I can. Works well for me. I never get kicked out of things.