Growing tired of this Stigma

[AcaciaTyrannia]

I'm going to call BS on this. I'm a black mage, the TRUE class with no utility, and I get pugs just fine. I don't think anyone has EVER denied me a group or anything when I've joined as samurai or black mage, so I struggle to believe the legitimacy of these claims in frequent exclusion.

You are doing way more damage than everyone else in the party, right? If not, then you aren't earning your spot, which is an entirely different issue all together.

[NephthysVasudan]

Please don't bring up manshift when speaking about BLM, the only time it's not a dps loss for us is if we use it during Umbral Ice and normally whoever needs the mana can't wait for us to finish our Astral Fire rotation. You also can't consider this "BLM utility" when both SMN and RDM have this too when it's a Role Ability.

You obviously don't know how to read if that's what you think.
White Mages certainly appreciate manashifting when they run low on Mana when burning cool-downs.
You obviously didn't think about this.

Oh and what's next? That white mage sucks because I had to manashift? Yeah.....cute excuse. It's called teamwork....help the party out.
Everything in this game is not savage related either.

[Selova]

You obviously don't know how to read if that's what you think.
White Mages certainly appreciate manashifting when they run low on Mana when burning cool-downs.
You obviously didn't think about this.

Oh and what's next? That white mage sucks because I had to manashift? Yeah.....cute excuse. It's called teamwork....help the party out.
Everything in this game is not savage related either.

Your point makes zero sense because you are trying to preach about unique JOB utility and talking about a ROLE action that can be used by multiple jobs. The amount of mana restored from MS is completely negligible and next to completely useless aside from very rare and unique situations. You can't put MS on the level of something like battle litany, chain stratagem, balance, and Trick Attack where those are leaps and bounds better than some useless role ability. Seriously can't believe you are trying to pass MS off as any kind of decent utility, because it's not.

[Coatl]

Samurai has usefull utility which is slashing debuff that benefits tanks excluding warrior , what form of utility does BLM have ?

slash debuff is already a given with a ninja OR warrior in a party, and you'll be hard pressed to find a group running savage content without either of these.

OP you seem distressed. If you truly like Samurai my honest advice is for you to just take a small break from the game and come back in three to four months. More than likely Samurai will be adjusted by then.

[Fredco191]

They should make Crutch more useful.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Samurai has usefull utility which is slashing debuff that benefits tanks excluding warrior , what form of utility does BLM have ?

Actually, they don't. Forcing a SAM to apply Slashing means they have to gimp their opener, thus losing a fairly large portion of their damage. Considering the whole point of their existence is supposedly high DPS... it's almost hilarious how dumb Slashing is for SAM. It's very apparent the devs didn't think things through whatsoever there, especially when you compare it to NIN/WAR who can get Slashing up two GCDs in while performing their respective openers.

It's amazing how many people don't understand META. and what it actually means. (Most Effective Tactic Available)

So if a actual META exists:-
there are 2 tank slots in a raid group. and 3 tanks. so there will always be 1 non meta tank.
there are 2 heal slots in a raid group and 3 healers so there will always be 1 non meta healer
there are 4 dps slots in a raid group and 9 dps job so there will always be 5 non meta dps jobs.

it is basically impossible for every job to be in the META.

on the other hand:-
if all the tanks are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 2 you take or
if all the healers are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 2 you take.
and even if only 6 of the 9 dps are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 4 of those 6 you take.

then you don't have a META because you have 15-20 maybe more possilbe party compositions that are equally as effective as each other. none of those is more effective than the rest. even if the other 3 dps are busted it doesn't make a META.

are some jobs weaker than they should be yes they are? but not because they don't fit into a META. basically 50% of the jobs will never fit anyway

The issue with meta favoritism isn't necessarily having the absolute best jobs, but the fact certain jobs are noticeably superior. Accounting for raid DPS, an equally skilled Dragoon will provide more than a Samurai. Battle Litany, Disembowel and Dragon Sight are simply that powerful. Likewise, Brotherhood and Mantra offer a mixture of damage and support utility while Monks themselves actually deal higher personal DPS. Conversely, Summoner and even Red Mage have little trouble getting into groups. Why? They offer something. All that needs be done is each job has to be competitive. Right now, Samurai simply isn't. When you have no idea who will join your PF, I can't blame people for stacking the deck because you have just as high a chance of a good Samurai as you do a good Dragoon.

Samurai is OK. It is the community who is wrong. They should forget the fucking meta shit and play the game. I've find a lot of samurais in EU datacenter and they can join parties in most cases. It seems the exclusion is more common in NA data center for any reason.

Please do not say this because, no, it isn't. The supposed selfish DPS job is getting outdamaged by Monk. That means it isn't fulfilling the niche it's designed for. You can absolutely dislike people locking out specific jobs but all advocating its okay does leave the job to wither. And like it or not, people will continue to ignore Samurai until it gets a much deserved buff.

[Waemliht]

Does this not fit more in the dps section?

Sam's are getting a dmg buff later, was confirmed. They need it so whatever. Slashing is utility, but only one person needs to have it so it's not something considered much.
Honestly play what you want. Most people aren't playing at a level where this stuff matters too much and if they're excluding sams maybe you don't wanna be in their party anyway.

[Lorielle]

No, I don't want to be in said parties because they're simple minded to think the Meta Comp will save them. The issue stems from when you get to a point where only a handful of people can only do said content and in turn start excluding the specific role. Now, the option is to create parties, which I do at times when the PF isn't actually flooded. But when you can just join a nearly full PT or one sporting meta, why join the Samurai? Right?

slash debuff is already a given with a ninja OR warrior in a party, and you'll be hard pressed to find a group running savage content without either of these.

OP you seem distressed. If you truly like Samurai my honest advice is for you to just take a small break from the game and come back in three to four months. More than likely Samurai will be adjusted by then.

Isn't it a little disappointing that the "advice" is to quit the game because of poor balancing? :v

[Joe777]

Surprised no one has said the true reason this happens yet: the players themselves. Players can and will find a reason to exclude someone if they want to, no matter what SE does. Furthermore, granting incentive to 1 job could bump another on the list of jobs people want to exclude, so no matter what SE does those same people will continue to exclude something or another.

My advice to you OP is find a static that isn't so closed-minded to run with that will let you be a SAM to your heart's content. That's about all you can do really because this isn't something SE can be faulted for when its the other players' decision to exclude others for their decision to use a job that isn't performing as well as others. Blame utility imbalance all you want but players can easily opt to let the SAM stay despite it. They aren't required to boot them.

[Waliel]

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

I wouldn't really count role actions when discussing job utility. Gear and skill being equal, there is no reason to take BLM over SMN from a performance stand point. Not to mention Manashift is inferior to Refresh in about every way possible.

I do agree with your second point and wish BLM identity wouldn't change from what it is now as the single most selfish DPS.