Butler/Maid outfits finally on the Mogstation! Go nuts guys!

[DreadRabbit]

actually at least its not like some games that went from sub to free to play that make you have to pay for everything with real money. this is litterly only glamour, you need to stop nit picking and appreciate what we get.

Whoooo boy. I've got nothing against you personally, and re-reading this it can come off very heated. I promise you I mean no ill will towards you, but certain aspects of your argument has been echoed all over gaming and it's been grinding my gears as of late. If you don't read this post I totally understand, but I just want to say my piece.

1. Players pay a minimum of $150~ USD to play this game per year, give or take. No, we don't have to "appreciate" them making a product worth that entry fee. The company makes more money in a day than most of us will in a year. But please, let's appreciate them for coming up with more ways to take money from us. (side note: you can appreciate this game for what it is and the hard work the devs do put towards it, but still call out when the publisher making the business choices are being ridiculous).

2. I'm so tired of "it's just cosmetics/glamour" in gaming these days. Cosmetics are part of the dang gameplay: they are (or more correctly: WERE) part of the bloody reward system. Every item added to the mog station is a missed opportunity for an in-game event all players could do to earn the item. Nope! How about SE pays advertisers out the wazoo for more marketing and promotions just so they can justify selling digital goods that cost nothing to reproduce at twice (if not 3x) their original mark up?

3. Piggy-backing off point 2: why should the consumer be forced to double dip to make up for SE's bad budgeting? I'm well aware FFXIV doesn't get to keep all of its monthly sub revenue. That's not my problem. How about SE budgets their projects better?

Mabinogi, Shinmegami tensi online, elsword, dragon nest, aura kingdom, Archage, tera, Rift, are some games i wish had subs because i refuse to pay for armor and some VIP buff/ VIP alone just to get to end game. at least FFXIV is doing better then these games combined when it comes to cash shop.

Well I would certainly hope so, because again, at least $150 a year is already paid per player. That's not including expansions, extra retainers, Mog Station sales, etc. If FFXIV ever reaches the levels those games do you bet I will quit and never look back if they refuse to go F2P, because you might as well be at that point.

And btw, I have played most of the games you listed. Most of those you didn't need the VIP packages or the armors you're talking about to get to end game. They were there to get you there faster. Which I don't see as any different from the jump potions we have now. I'm not against jump potions or the extra retainer service, but let's see them for what they are. Are they really that different from the jump armor and VIP packages in these F2P games? Really? Heck even in F2P games after buying the gear/VIP stuff you still have to play the game to join the end game. WoW and FFXIV you jump right in where everyone else is (yes you have to play to 70, but that's a ton of hours skipped that potion saved you).

Also I apologize now because I know this post will come off as incredibly snarky. I also want to make one thing clear: I'm not completely against cash shops in MMOs, even for sub based ones, so long as they're reasonably priced. The fact that one costume for one character costs more than your monthly sub is ridiculous and I can't understand why people keep defending that. You shouldn't have to be made to decide between your monthly sub and a costume to wear in the game that sub is for. F2P games and B2P games get away with those prices because that choice isn't there (though I still think $40+ skins is ridiculous in its own right. A skin shouldn't cost as much as what you paid for the dang game itself).

[Ranhansha]

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Can I simply copy and paste the first part everywhere?

[DreadRabbit]

Can I simply copy and paste the first part everywhere?

Aha! Thank you <3 You're welcome to if you'd like. Honestly just reading through this thread I'm glad that perspective hasn't died yet. I'm all for buying fun things that make you happy and supporting the games you love. I just want it to be reasonable and without the publisher trying to guilt me into paying out. Is that too hard to ask anymore?

[Alleo]

I agree that the pricing is ridiculous, but it could be way worse.

Big question: Are those all MMOs that are P2P like FF14 or are those F2P? Because honestly if they are mostly F2P than they need sales to even survive, but if they are P2P than yes its bad too. But in the end just because somewhere someone does it even worse does not mean that SE does it right.

Edit:

And I never had much problems with F2P games because my mind set is very different when I am playing those. I know that I can basically play a game for hours without paying a single Euro. So when I liked the game enough for me to play it a bit I was buying something from their cash shop (be it a mount, pet or costume) because this was my way of thanking them for giving me some enjoyable hours. And when I stopped playing them I barely "lost" anything because I did not need to invest in this. FF14 is different because we need to buy each expansion and on top of that pay a monthly fee. A whole year of FF14 costs me already more than all of my payments for all the F2P I ever played combined. So I will not stand back and not voice my opinion about their business strategy which as a whole company gets more and more greedy..(*looks at all the DLC for FF15*) They already lost me as a cash shop buyer or merchandise buyer when they introduced more and more stuff in there or changed the codes from merchandize to single character only after it being account wide for years...

[Awha]

Honestly I wish they just sold an account wide version for $25.

[Jeykama]

Big question: Are those all MMOs that are P2P like FF14 or are those F2P?

Difficult question.

There is only one other MMO afaik that has a required subscription and that is WoW. WoW has alternative ways to pay for the sub i.e. pay in-game gold buys prepaid gametime tokens which other players purchased with real money to sell for gold. These tokens can also be redeemed for Blizzard store cash. So, drastically different from FFXIV.

On the other hand there are many MMOs that used to be subscription but are now F2P with an optional subscription. I imagine the main source of lucre is still microtransactions or they wouldn't have converted to F2P in the first place.

SE is kind of unique(?) in that their digital games and micros start at "premium" prices to protect the brand, barring mobagames that are specifically F2P/gacha-based.

That being said I still think $18 for a costume set is ridonkulous but they do have mogstation sales.

[Ranhansha]

Difficult question.


That being said I still think $18 for a costume set is ridonkulous but they do have mogstation sales.

It's not only about the price, it's about the precedent it sets too. It was a promo. A really bad promo not everyone had access to. Now they are just ignoring all those people and instead of working on giving them a fair chance, separating the items, making them worse and selling them at an indecent high price. Some countries didn't even have a promo. Now, they have made the same mistake with promos twice, so you can imagine what they will do with that one too: $18 for the costume and I suppose it will be 12 for the weapons and 24 for the mount. If they actually cared for the players and the actual promotion of their game they would simply make it a social media promotion or something like that.

[h0tNstilettos]

Also are those higher shop item games, do they pay on sub or f2p? Because you can't call this game better then anything, if you do not factor everything.

Big question: Are those all MMOs that are P2P like FF14 or are those F2P? Because honestly if they are mostly F2P than they need sales to even survive, but if they are P2P than yes its bad too. But in the end just because somewhere someone does it even worse does not mean that SE does it right.

I don't see how both of you replied to me asking me if the listed games were f2p or p2p and accusing me of not considering that when I cleary stated the following in my post.

Yes I'm aware those are free to play, which could be why we pay a lot less for the optional CS stuff.

[Fable]

I figured they would put an ~$20 price tag for the outfit because it was/is so popular but I am kind of bummed it is not account-wide.

[Synrin]

You all bitched about getting the sets to mogstation and now you complain about the pricing. Some said 'they'd pay 30€ for it'.

This community, hard to scratch the right spot aye.