Butler/Maid outfits finally on the Mogstation! Go nuts guys!

[Vstarstruck]

I never said it was good on its own. That's why I said the price is still ridiculous. Just pointing out that many of the people complaining don't know how decent this is on the grand scale of CS pricing.

i do not think it is decent at all:
game boats your inventory with currency
rent inventory space
broken glam system
So these factors tries to push paying extra for more space to pay more, on top of a sub model on top of 18 dollar outfits that where given out where some counties did not have access to?

Also are those higher shop item games, do they pay on sub or f2p? Because you can't call this game better then anything, if you do not factor everything.

[Niraye]

i do not think it is decent at all:
game boats your inventory with currency
rent inventory space
broken glam system
So these factors tries to push paying extra for more space to pay more, on top of a sub model on top of 18 dollar outfits that where given out where some counties did not have access to?

Also are those higher shop item games, do they pay on sub or f2p? Because you can't call this game better then anything, if you do not factor everything.

actually at least its not like some games that went from sub to free to play that make you have to pay for everything with real money. this is litterly only glamour, you need to stop nit picking and appreciate what we get. plus yea the glamour system needs work but its not broken. IT does work. and some people can make the mog station items work and not have to buy extra retainers just to fit it all into everything. I think you need to go play some of the free to play games and check how much you have to pay for b4 you nit pick on what SE makes us pay for. I'd rather spend 18$ for glamour and that then spend 20$ for armor, ability to get farther into ms, or game, plus other items. some games have gotten ridiculous. Mabinogi, Shinmegami tensi online, elsword, dragon nest, aura kingdom, Archage, tera, Rift, are some games i wish had subs because i refuse to pay for armor and some VIP buff/ VIP alone just to get to end game. at least FFXIV is doing better then these games combined when it comes to cash shop.

[Sho86]

you need to stop nit picking and appreciate what we get.

It's this exact sentiment though for why we get less and less each passing year.

Edit: I should clarify, less and less for our sub.

[DreadRabbit]

actually at least its not like some games that went from sub to free to play that make you have to pay for everything with real money. this is litterly only glamour, you need to stop nit picking and appreciate what we get.

Whoooo boy. I've got nothing against you personally, and re-reading this it can come off very heated. I promise you I mean no ill will towards you, but certain aspects of your argument has been echoed all over gaming and it's been grinding my gears as of late. If you don't read this post I totally understand, but I just want to say my piece.

1. Players pay a minimum of $150~ USD to play this game per year, give or take. No, we don't have to "appreciate" them making a product worth that entry fee. The company makes more money in a day than most of us will in a year. But please, let's appreciate them for coming up with more ways to take money from us. (side note: you can appreciate this game for what it is and the hard work the devs do put towards it, but still call out when the publisher making the business choices are being ridiculous).

2. I'm so tired of "it's just cosmetics/glamour" in gaming these days. Cosmetics are part of the dang gameplay: they are (or more correctly: WERE) part of the bloody reward system. Every item added to the mog station is a missed opportunity for an in-game event all players could do to earn the item. Nope! How about SE pays advertisers out the wazoo for more marketing and promotions just so they can justify selling digital goods that cost nothing to reproduce at twice (if not 3x) their original mark up?

3. Piggy-backing off point 2: why should the consumer be forced to double dip to make up for SE's bad budgeting? I'm well aware FFXIV doesn't get to keep all of its monthly sub revenue. That's not my problem. How about SE budgets their projects better?

Mabinogi, Shinmegami tensi online, elsword, dragon nest, aura kingdom, Archage, tera, Rift, are some games i wish had subs because i refuse to pay for armor and some VIP buff/ VIP alone just to get to end game. at least FFXIV is doing better then these games combined when it comes to cash shop.

Well I would certainly hope so, because again, at least $150 a year is already paid per player. That's not including expansions, extra retainers, Mog Station sales, etc. If FFXIV ever reaches the levels those games do you bet I will quit and never look back if they refuse to go F2P, because you might as well be at that point.

And btw, I have played most of the games you listed. Most of those you didn't need the VIP packages or the armors you're talking about to get to end game. They were there to get you there faster. Which I don't see as any different from the jump potions we have now. I'm not against jump potions or the extra retainer service, but let's see them for what they are. Are they really that different from the jump armor and VIP packages in these F2P games? Really? Heck even in F2P games after buying the gear/VIP stuff you still have to play the game to join the end game. WoW and FFXIV you jump right in where everyone else is (yes you have to play to 70, but that's a ton of hours skipped that potion saved you).

Also I apologize now because I know this post will come off as incredibly snarky. I also want to make one thing clear: I'm not completely against cash shops in MMOs, even for sub based ones, so long as they're reasonably priced. The fact that one costume for one character costs more than your monthly sub is ridiculous and I can't understand why people keep defending that. You shouldn't have to be made to decide between your monthly sub and a costume to wear in the game that sub is for. F2P games and B2P games get away with those prices because that choice isn't there (though I still think $40+ skins is ridiculous in its own right. A skin shouldn't cost as much as what you paid for the dang game itself).

[Ranhansha]

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Can I simply copy and paste the first part everywhere?

[DreadRabbit]

Can I simply copy and paste the first part everywhere?

Aha! Thank you <3 You're welcome to if you'd like. Honestly just reading through this thread I'm glad that perspective hasn't died yet. I'm all for buying fun things that make you happy and supporting the games you love. I just want it to be reasonable and without the publisher trying to guilt me into paying out. Is that too hard to ask anymore?

[Shouko]

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Not defending this practice as i refuse to pay for much of anything via cash shop but this is pretty standard these days, most companies do this because of the mobile market and they know people will open up their wallets no matter the cost, these people don't care as long as they get their shiny.

You all bitched about getting the sets to mogstation and now you complain about the pricing. Some said 'they'd pay 30€ for it'.

This community, hard to scratch the right spot aye.

You seem to act like everyone is this way and that everyone was begging for the sets, when in reality people that wanted the sets will probably already have them and not give a shit one way or the other.

[DreadRabbit]

Not defending this practice as i refuse to pay for much of anything via cash shop but this is pretty standard these days, most companies do this because of the mobile market and they know people will open up their wallets no matter the cost, these people don't care as long as they get their shiny.

Unfortunately, yeah. That's very true.

This is why "if you don't want it, don't buy it" isn't a valid argument. This system is built on the backs of the minority who don't care about spending this kind of money (whether they have it or it's more than they can afford). Voting with our wallet will never work. Look at what happened with EA and Battelfront II: they lost sales because of the controversy so what are they doing? Putting microtransactions back in. Despite the loss of sales being because of those. Classic.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unfortunately, yeah. That's very true.

This is why "if you don't want it, don't buy it" isn't a valid argument. This system is built on the backs of the minority who don't care about spending this kind of money (whether they have it or it's more than they can afford). Voting with our wallet will never work. Look at what happened with EA and Battelfront II: they lost sales because of the controversy so what are they doing? Putting microtransactions back in. Despite the loss of sales being because of those. Classic.

This isn't entirely true. Not only did EA come over a million units under their estimation, they lost three million in stock and rumours are circling Disney has begun looking for another publisher. EA took a beating over the consumer revolt. Yes, micro-transactions are going back in but the reward system has been heavily scaled back to accommodate people who only want to grind. Honestly, it's more a desperation move on their part to squeeze what little money is left before Battlefront II dies, which will happen significantly faster due to the controversy. Voting with your wallet does work, it just requires enough people to agree.

[DreadRabbit]

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That's an excellent point, I forgot about the shareholder loss. That being said this was a Star Wars game, which has a massive global fanbase few franchises can compete with and a company heavily tied to children's entertainment. If this had not been a Star Wars game I don't think it would have reached nearly the same scale of bad press. Because games both in the AAA space and mobile have already been getting away with that stuff for years.

I hope that's changing. I honestly do. Right now what little evidence the industry lets us have is pointing the other direction though.