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    I take no issue with anyone disliking a game. Everyone has their tastes and preferences to what they like and don't like. Personally, I feel FFVII is only sub-par when compared to better games like FFIV and FFVIII. But do I think FFVII was a fail? No way. It just isn't something I personally like.

    The same can be said about FFXIII. It wasn't everyone's cup o' tea, but that doesn't mean it was a failure or a bad game. Some people liked it, others didn't. Overall, it received good reviews and was a commercial success.

    The problem is people arguing "I didn't like the game. It was a failure. SE has forever besmirched the name of Final Fantasy!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Again, it released in Japan 3 months before the rest of the world, the "bad rep" would have been cemented in 3 months and you could have chosen not to buy it.

    Therefore, again, the opposite happened and it still sold well.
    Again, it sold well because it has Final Fantasy in its name.
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    of course it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
    I take no issue with anyone disliking a game. Everyone has their tastes and preferences to what they like and don't like. Personally, I feel FFVII is only sub-par when compared to better games like FFIV and FFVIII. But do I think FFVII was a fail? No way. It just isn't something I personally like.

    The same can be said about FFXIII. It wasn't everyone's cup o' tea, but that doesn't mean it was a failure or a bad game. Some people liked it, others didn't. Overall, it received good reviews and was a commercial success.

    The problem is people arguing "I didn't like the game. It was a failure. SE has forever besmirched the name of Final Fantasy!"
    off topic sorry a few years back there was a poll in my local game store, that voted FF7 the best game of the last century, in the same store there was a poll that voted FF6 the best RPG ever. them polls always made me laugh. but still square top of 2 polls, taken of customers of the games store
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinumstorm View Post
    Story lacking continuity, boring combat system, extreme linearity, and a lack of towns/pacing contributed to a feeling of FFXIII damaging the brand.

    For me the story lacking continuity and the linearity probably did the most damage.

    I loved the character design in XIII, though, imo it was the best playable cast since FFVIII. It was annoying to see the chick with glasses just fall over and die, though - such a cool character.
    Yup, it's like watching a really bad tv-show with limited remote controller. Nomura did amazing character designs as usual but to the game designer they were just dolls to his medium envy hollywood-wannabe playhouse. I have hard time taking people who like XIII seriously because clearly they were just pretending to be playing the game instead of really looking at what they we're allowed to do in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    Yup, it's like watching a really bad tv-show with limited remote controller. Nomura did amazing character designs as usual but to the game designer they were just dolls to his medium envy hollywood-wannabe playhouse. I have hard time taking people who like XIII seriously because clearly they were just pretending to be playing the game instead of really looking at what they we're allowed to do in the game.
    Not sure how you can stand the people in this community. All they do is vehemently defend anything SE touches. I guarantee you if SE captured their farts in a bottle, these same people would buy two bottles. They would put one up on display as a collectors item, and the other they would release right down their throat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    Yup, it's like watching a really bad tv-show with limited remote controller. Nomura did amazing character designs as usual but to the game designer they were just dolls to his medium envy hollywood-wannabe playhouse. I have hard time taking people who like XIII seriously because clearly they were just pretending to be playing the game instead of really looking at what they we're allowed to do in the game.
    I have a hard time taking people who bash other people for liking FFXIII seriously becuase clearly they havent figured out that the world does not revolve around only what they like.

    Alternately, like, take what you said and replace "XIII" with any other game ever. I have a hard time taking people who like The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past because clearly they were just pretending to play the game instead of really looking at what they're allowed to do in the game! Clearly!

    Slightly more on topic, is there anyone else who'd like to see some lower-development-time, non-HD games (maybe for handhelds? Although even handhelds are HD resource-heavy games these days) come from SE? There's a /fairly/ high chance that this is nostalgia filter at play, and I've actually been really happy with what they've been doing, visually and otherwise, with the HD blockbuster approach. I'm just sort of curious what sort of game would come out of a more minimalistic approach to game resources (and I just got done playing Radiant Historia, which in addition to being fantastic, hit a lot of nostalgia-filter buttons, I think).

    ETA: Wow, Lucifer, I think that's the classiest thing I've ever read on these forums. I'm impressed. Go give yourself a lollipop or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teakwood View Post
    I have a hard time taking people who bash other people for liking FFXIII seriously becuase clearly they havent figured out that the world does not revolve around only what they like.

    Alternately, like, take what you said and replace "XIII" with any other game ever. I have a hard time taking people who like The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past because clearly they were just pretending to play the game instead of really looking at what they're allowed to do in the game! Clearly!

    Slightly more on topic, is there anyone else who'd like to see some lower-development-time, non-HD games (maybe for handhelds? Although even handhelds are HD resource-heavy games these days) come from SE? There's a /fairly/ high chance that this is nostalgia filter at play, and I've actually been really happy with what they've been doing, visually and otherwise, with the HD blockbuster approach. I'm just sort of curious what sort of game would come out of a more minimalistic approach to game resources (and I just got done playing Radiant Historia, which in addition to being fantastic, hit a lot of nostalgia-filter buttons, I think).

    ETA: Wow, Lucifer, I think that's the classiest thing I've ever read on these forums. I'm impressed. Go give yourself a lollipop or something.
    I agree that the games SE has been releasing on handhelds have been really good and honestly I'd like to see more of that happening. I especially liked the DS FF III and IV remakes. I don't think VITA development can be considered that fast any more though, but there is the 3ds that's still reasonably low-def.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    I agree that the games SE has been releasing on handhelds have been really good and honestly I'd like to see more of that happening. I especially liked the DS FF III and IV remakes. I don't think VITA development can be considered that fast any more though, but there is the 3ds that's still reasonably low-def.
    the one other thing them 2 games you mentioned have in common other than being on handhelds, they are both remakes of existing games, its not the handheld market that is their strong point, they need to get back to making games the way they used too, and i don't mean low-def, FF10 might have been the last truely great game they made (don't get me wrong i liked 12 and some ppl like 13) but i think 10 was the last one proclaimed as great by most, it had what FF3 and FF4 had great characters, great story, great game play plus high-def. this is what is needed to make the next FF game great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    It was one of the top selling FFs ever. Not only that but American and European gaming bases has 3 months worth of Videos, Reviews and Word of Mouth from importers to make an informed decision to not buy the game. It was a success, you can't deny this. It released in December in Japan, and in March or so in America and Europe, in that 3 months you could have decided:

    "Game doesn't sound good, won't buy it."

    The opposite happened.
    Top selling != Good game.

    From my observations of game prices in the video game industry, a good indication of a game that goes bad (despite its sales) is if its price falls within a month (OR LESS) of its launch.

    Example - FFX was the first PS2 version of FF, and it retained its value for a VERY long time after that. It sold like hotcakes, yet it stayed in the $40-$50 price range for a LONG time.

    FFXIII, after its first few months, was already selling for bargain bin prices ($20-$30). So sure, it sold well, but people were probably returning their copies and moving on to other games due to many glaring issues that plagued it.

    Also, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is one of the most top selling FPSes in this current generation. That doesn't mean it's good. It just means it sold well. Justin Bieber sells well. Twilight sells well. Need I go on? SE just figured that with FF13, if you cater to the lowest common denominator, you'll get great sales, and they did just that, and it worked.

    And for the record, I didn't mind FF13 - I hated the straight-line gameplay and the automated battles, but I definitely think it could've been a lot worse than reviewers panned it out to be. I think it just suffered the DNF syndrome - after 5+ years of development, was this all they were really capable of creating?

    Edit: Also something to note, arguing about which FF is the best is as bad as trying to argue politics or religion with someone. Everyone will have their own views and you will never convince the opposing party to see your side. In other words: it's a waste of time and space. Just saiyan.
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