Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Krotoan]

Why does this being implemented mean Eureka gets delayed again? They've already said Eureka's coming out in the mid-patch cycle "tide-over" patch. It's 99% of the way there, only a catastrophic event would cause it to be pushed back since it finally has an announced date after many push-backs.

If they were even planning for improvements to the MSQ dungeons that's all it'd be right now probably: planning, researching specifications and resource requirements, risk/reward ratios, etc. Do you even SDLC? Saying "SE can't fix a thing because a different thing will be pushed back!" is dumb. Especially when the different thing in question is already set to go live a few weeks from now. A company this large knows how to plan and schedule resources effectively.

SE can certainly start looking at a more nuanced solution to the problem. You don't have to commit to the results of the research- someone looking into the issue does not mean you suddenly have to divert ALL of your resources -even the guy who sleeps in the corner with his eyes open- to work on a resolution. For all we know they've already had a team research the problem and possible solutions and this is the best form of remediation we can expect. But if we ask for more, and make a compelling case for it, SE can slot it in for Dev time. Doesn't mean it'll ever go live. Doesn't mean we'll ever even hear about it. But asking for a better implementation of a dull story segment does not suddenly mean all the fun stuff gets pushed back indefinitely.

I didn't say any of that. I asked would you be OK with it? I'm just using Eureka as an example because it's something a lot of people are looking forward to. I'm asking if something you WANTED needed to be pushed back or delayed (not forever, maybe just one patch cycle) for this to happen would you be OK with that? Even something you didn't know if you wanted but was planned for the future. I'm pointing out that resources being limited as they are, it's possible a choice was made and this was what could be done with the current allocation, AND if this was their proposed final decision then further resources would have to be moved to accommodate this future change.

Once again, I'm all for making them separate, but there will be a price and is it worth that price (likely sight unseen) to you for this to happen? Or will you, as many have, just ignore MSQ from this point forward?

It's extremely possible there's their, as you put it, "guy sleeping with his eyes open" on this and we'll get the results soon. That would be great. People would be made happy and the forums could move on to things that are much more relevant. SE making some announcement to this effect would alleviate a great burden on many minds, but they haven't. So for now we have to assume they are flying by results currently and will adjust as necessary.

[Vstarstruck]

I didn't say any of that. I asked would you be OK with it? I'm just using Eureka as an example because it's something a lot of people are looking forward to. I'm asking if something you WANTED needed to be pushed back or delayed (not forever, maybe just one patch cycle) for this to happen would you be OK with that? Even something you didn't know if you wanted but was planned for the future. I'm pointing out that resources being limited as they are, it's possible a choice was made and this was what could be done with the current allocation, AND if this was their proposed final decision then further resources would have to be moved to accommodate this future change.

Once again, I'm all for making them separate, but there will be a price and is it worth that price (likely sight unseen) to you for this to happen? Or will you, as many have, just ignore MSQ from this point forward?

It's extremely possible there's their, as you put it, "guy sleeping with his eyes open" on this and we'll get the results soon. That would be great. People would be made happy and the forums could move on to things that are much more relevant. SE making some announcement to this effect would alleviate a great burden on many minds, but they haven't. So for now we have to assume they are flying by results currently and will adjust as necessary.

This is not a thing and a starman, again if the team can't work on changing on MSQ while doing the other things on time, then the MSQ (including the 4.2 change) shouldn't have happened.

I am one of the newbie that enjoyed the change and explained why in another post before.

I don't understand why people call us ''white knights'' for defending this.

Because it is defending a huge nonsense and unneeded change. Defending a clear flaw with over the top statements = white knighting, like Krotoan. See their last post in basically asking "would you rather have more changes to MSQ or have something you are about pushed back"? if this is the situation then 4.2's change should never have happened as it is pleasing a very tiny minority. It only helps a select few once, you shouldn't be making a change with that limited effect to begin with. Because now I need to question, if they can please such a small group of people, where is QoL changes for those with disabilities? like this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Sensory-Issues
It is really frustrating to be observing such a double standard.

All they had to do was teach people how to use the PF better, you do not force people to watch CS in a public setting, if you want a fast matchmaking, you get behind the fast clear too. You give grown adults choices and they decide how to conduct themselves, this is unneeded over the top babying that a player may only enjoy once (do realize not all new players wants to view them.)

For alts and noobs that want to skip unsync ( dont't think it is a majority really ....),

It is a bigger majority then people caring about these cutscenes. Proof? the queues got longer with less people in them. There are plenty of new players and alts that do not want to watch them over and over, thus you have people greatly disagreeing of forced cut scene speed EVERYWHERE (inn/ premade/ roulette) I do agree they should inform new players better about how to use PF and take their own group of friends if they want to take their time, but the roulette was made to give experienced people rewards in the rare event there is a new player that can't complete them though any other means. You could of watched the CS and go at your own speed before the change, just get a few friends to go with you that do not mind. But now they make everyone watch the CS everywhere? bad hasty change.

You are acting like there was not any other option to run then but speed running, and that was not the case. Before everyone got options, now no one has option, so bad change.

[JaakRoot]

if this is the situation then 4.2's change should never have happened as it is pleasing a very tiny minority. It only helps a select few once, you shouldn't be making a change with that limited effect to begin with.

Proof ? I got report of Queue getting longer and queue remaining the same at the same rate in this forum. We don't have stats so I don't think we can use this as argument. Maybe the change was easy to do so they did it to please this ''minority'' ( again, stats ?) to keep the game somewhat full and relevant ? In my eyes, it is one of the most important thing to do for an FF game.

All they had to do was teach people how to use the PF better, you do not force people to watch CS in a public setting, if you want a fast matchmaking, you get behind the fast clear too. You give grown adults choices and they decide how to conduct themselves, this is unneeded over the top babying that a player may only enjoy once (do realize not all new players wants to view them.)

By your meaning, MSQ roulette or other roulette should have never existed in the first place. I would say then: if you want whatever you want, go get a PF like in old MMO where finding a group in front of dungeons was actually a real thing. I wouldn't mind personally as I miss the old time. But we all know were most of the MMO industry headed. It is statically good enough proof to understand SE decision to baby sit their players to follow the trend. SE did a compromise then by doing this change for newer player which is still in the right direction.

It is a bigger majority then people caring about these cutscenes. Proof? the queues got longer with less people in them

if really the queue is longer (again stats ?) because the majority does not queue anymore, the majority cannot consist of alts and noobs who wants to skip because they are part of the queue actually .... The majority would be the vets who think the time/reward ratio is not good enough for this roulette.

The problem lies in the reward as it was designed for vets to make them do old contents to help sprouts. Cutscenes were designed for sprouts to enjoy, not vets so it should not be taken away from them to please duty roulette vets. If they really need to change something, change it on the reward for vets, not on the content for sprouts. If you start complaining on the CSs being too long, how about also complaining about roulette leveling lvl 16 being too long too. Let skip it directly to the boss so we can get instant experience .... I mean I already did Sastacha more than 10 times, me mashing 2 buttons to clear the dungeon is not better than watching 20 min CSs.

TL;DR : Please change the rewards for Vets, don't touch the contents for sprout.

[Vstarstruck]

Proof ? I got report of Queue getting longer and queue remaining the same at the same rate in this forum. We don't have stats so I don't think we can use this as argument. Maybe the change was easy to do sothey did it to please this ''minority'' ( again, stats ?) to keep the game somewhat full and relevant ? In my eyes, it is one of the most important thing to do for an FF game.

You are the one that wants to argue people having alts is the minority so I can ask you the same thing, where are you stats? I talk to lots of people, ran MSQ tons of times, the amount of people that really care about those CS, even new are tiny. Those that do care about the CS, more often then not, do not mouth off to the group about speed running and both view points accept each other, group A speed runs while the 8th watch the CS.

By your meaning, MSQ roulette or other roulette should have never existed in the first place. I would say then: if you want whatever you want, go get a PF like in old MMO where finding a group in front of dungeons was actually a real thing. I wouldn't mind personally as I miss the old time. But we all know were most of the MMO industry headed. It is statically good enough proof to understand SE decision to baby sit their players to follow the trend. SE did a compromise then by doing this change for newer player which is still in the right direction.

I do not know where this is coming from but ill say this, MSQ should not be road blocking every thing in the game, though this is off topic.

if really the queue is longer (again stats ?) because the majority does not queue anymore, the majority cannot consist of alts and noobs who wants to skip because they are part of the queue actually .... The majority would be the vets who think the time/reward ratio is not good enough for this roulette.

It isn't hence all the threads and posts here

The problem lies in the reward as it was designed for vets to make them do old contents to help sprouts. Cutscenes were designed for sprouts to enjoy, not vets so it should not be taken away from them to please duty roulette vets. If they really need to change something, change it on the reward for vets, not on the content for sprouts. If you start complaining on the CSs being too long, how about also complaining about roulette leveling lvl 16 being too long too. Let skip it directly to the boss so we can get instant experience .... I mean I already did Sastacha more than 10 times, me mashing 2 buttons to clear the dungeon is not better than watching 20 min CSs.

TL;DR : Please change the rewards for Vets, don't touch the contents for sprout.

I like you see propose a high enough reward to be forced to see something you know what happens and seen a 100 times or more. A lot of people just want to play the game. What should be done is change it back to pre 4.2 and simply have a pop up for those that never cleared it before, explaining how to use PF and it may be a good idea to run it a few friends if you want to take your time with the story.

To me you STILL are not understanding new people had ways of completing this while taking their time on it. I know one person on an alt who got 60 though PotD before clearing the level 50 quests because how long it takes to get though the 50 quests. So this person as a level 60 in ironworks gear ran the MSQ story things with a level 60 in current gear.. i 260.. i think.. and they duo it on their own watching the CS. you do not need to pug to clear the MSQ DFs, forcing 7 others to go at a set pace. This change is bad, setting a set speed for the CS is bad, half bake changes are bad.. for everyone, but a select minority that seem to think this is a good change when it is overall worse then pre 4.2 because they are unable to see the bigger picture.

Rewards has nothing to do with this, I am very frustrated at pleasing a select minority when there are more heavy impactful changes that people with disabilities need. This is my main point, I shown you the thread on it, and you ignored it completely. 4.2 MSQ changes is personally insulting to me. SE is basically saying players are unable to find their own groups so we need force a change on everyone, that is insulting to human intelligence.

You are ignoring the biggest point here, before 4.2 people could make their own groups and go at the speed they saw fit, now you can't. Change the game back to pre 4.2!

The duty finder's purpose is to let people find groups quickly that can't do so on their own, this force CS change defeats that spirit. If you care about cs so much, you make your own group, you only need ONE person level 60 + to do SO!!!!

I don't understand why it is such a huge deal over this. It is the FINALE of ARR

it is not, it was considered outdated and old before AAR(2.x) ended, prob when they released ironwroks, i120 gear.

I personally hate the change because I am against being forced to do something and against a blanket change (impacting inn/ premade/ undersize/min level challenge. I am also against the change because before people had options, it isn't hard to find one friend 60+ too duo with, now you have no other options. You give people a choice how do things, this change stripped that choice and will argue how much a bad idea till it is changed.)