Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Hestzhyen]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

[Vstarstruck]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

They need to revert to how it used to be at least in undersized/ preform min ilevel options, and inn. If they can't split the different styles and need go with one, it should be the way it was before 4.2. I see no reason at all to change something this old so late outside making them solo.

[Krotoan]

Do people see "MSQ Roulette" and "cutscenes" and ignore everything else to complain about how evil veteran players are to newbies now?

Absolutely get rid of the must-watch restriction when people go in as undersized. If someone wants a guaranteed "as intended" experience, they now have the MSQ Roulette. If someone just wants to get through the dungeons without the hassle of being forced to watch the story, then by God let them do it. Not all new players are interested in the story and there are plenty of people with alts that have been through the story on their main already.

By all means let this be a choice, but would you be willing to wait for other content for this to be a choice? Delay Eureka for another patch? I agree that , if possible, the choice to do the quick run or a full run when queuing for a pre-built party should be entirely up to the makers of the party and SHOULD have been part of the change, but it was likely a choice of resource management or even if it wasn't it would have to be a consideration going forward. Do you think production time would have been better spent on making this extra option and would you be ok with delaying actual current content for this to be implemented?

[Vstarstruck]

By all means let this be a choice, but would you be willing to wait for other content for this to be a choice? Delay Eureka for another patch? I agree that , if possible, the choice to do the quick run or a full run when queuing for a pre-built party should be entirely up to the makers of the party and SHOULD have been part of the change, but it was likely a choice of resource management or even if it wasn't it would have to be a consideration going forward. Do you think production time would have been better spent on making this extra option and would you be ok with delaying actual current content for this to be implemented?

then they shouldn't of changed it at all, why are you defending this? If forcing people to view cutscenes is the reason Eureka is delayed, it makes it an even bigger joke

[JaakRoot]

I am one of the newbie that enjoyed the change and explained why in another post before.

I don't understand why people call us ''white knights'' for defending this. To be white knight, you need to defend a cause that it is obliviously opposite of what you are personally thinking and just defend for the lulz or because everything SE do is blessed by god. I liked the change very much and some other people too. We are defending another side of how to play this game which should be heard as well as yours.

However, I totally agree that they did a mistake putting cutscenes in the first place during a duty. I am not trying to defend that and I would be called white knight if. They probably did not foresee this problem back then. Now they need to correct their mistakes and choose which side the please: Newbies or Vets. They also need to think about technical and resources constraints. I am defending their choice to try to make it right for the side of new players.

I mean I can see clearly their thinking: These duties are for Newbies only, let please the noobs first so they can at least experience, somewhat,a real Final Fantasy ENDING which is our brand signature with a change that do not take us too much time to do (I am guessing) as it does not concerns the majority of the playerbase anyway. We will probably have some complaints and it will make MSQ roulette queue longer, we will increase the rewards and see how it goes. Let focus on pleasing vets with end game contents (Eureka seems the talk on forum, dunno what it is lol ) instead of 2 hours of CSs MSQ .....

For alts and noobs that want to skip unsync ( dont't think it is a majority really ....), well too bad, but we will decide to make them loose 2 hours of their life watching our cutscenes (because it is too long to change ? if it is an easy fix, then they would have done it wouldn't they ?)... If they loose subscription because of this which represent less than 1% of the game life duration, this subscription would not last long anyway. They won mine for sure.

My 2 cents

[BillyKaplan]

These duties are for Newbies only

I'm not even going into how people with alts break this statement to smitherins, or how some newbies don't give half a damn about cutscenes, I'll stay in the comfort zone of how those duties wouldn't have even popped in the first place without veterans running the roulette. You can say it's for Newbies all you want, the fact remains those dungeons need vets queueing into them for the Newbies to even get in in the first place.

it does not concerns the majority of the playerbase anyway.

Any change in MSQ by definition affects every last person who hasn't been through that MSQ yet. A lot of us vets have alts who need to go through that. And that's besides the dangerous precedent set by introducing unskippable cutscenes - though as they themselves admitted that no other content followed this design as it was bad, maybe we're safe on that front. One can only hope

If they loose subscription because of this which represent less than 1% of the game life duration, this subscription would not last long anyway.

Baseless. People with alts have the potential to play more because when they're done on their main they can switch over instead of play something else. And then there's the simple fact that people who have been here longer have had more time to see SE screw up on this, and this, and that. Don't think about this as the thing they ubsubbed for and nothing else, think about this as the straw that broke the camel's back as they're tired of SE's tone-deafness.

[JaakRoot]

I'm not even going into how people with alts break this statement to smitherins, or how some newbies don't give half a damn about cutscenes, I'll stay in the comfort zone of how those duties wouldn't have even popped in the first place without veterans running the roulette. You can say it's for Newbies all you want, the fact remains those dungeons need vets queueing into them for the Newbies to even get in in the first place.

My point still stand. It is not because sprouts need vets than it was designed for vets. Cutscenes are for new players and they should have the right to enjoy it. The previous system made it impossible for them to enjoy it live with boss battle. Roulettes Reward are designed for vets to do old contents to help sprout. Please change reward and not content.

Any change in MSQ by definition affects every last person who hasn't been through that MSQ yet. A lot of us vets have alts who need to go through that. And that's besides the dangerous precedent set by introducing unskippable cutscenes - though as they themselves admitted that no other content followed this design as it was bad, maybe we're safe on that front. One can only hope

I agree with the bad design and they acknowledged it. It seems they are trying not to do it again now. But they are still left with these 2 duties and it seems it is quite troublesome for them to make huge change. I guess they made a choice by choosing sprouts over alts and sprouts skipping CSs. And for alts, If I were to do an alt, it would not be the 2 hours CSs of Prae over the 400 ++ mandatory MSQ quest that would change a thing. Same for the noobs who wants to skip.

Don't think about this as the thing they ubsubbed for and nothing else, think about this as the straw that broke the camel's back as they're tired of SE's tone-deafness.

It kinda go along with my point. People won't unsubscribe just because of this but an accumulation of bad SE decisions. If they were to unsubscribe just because of only this, it looks to me that it was not a strong loyal customer anyway. Instead, they pleased some new players which has potential for growing long term.

I don't understand why it is such a huge deal over this. It is the FINALE of ARR, let keep it epic for new players! The game have now way more contents for vets and alts to do than pleasing them by cutting 2 hours of CSs. Let's focus on end game if it it is too difficult to create a solo duty. We are really nitpicking on this but maybe as you said, it is a sign of a more general tiredness for vets of SE bad decisions over other contents. It should not however affect this CSs change.

[Jxnibbles]

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The problem with buffing rewards is it will cause the same type of situation to occur. You can easily get a small premade of 5 players queue into the roulette all 5 of you disconnect mid cs, Then just log back in and save a bunch of minutes then its just zergfest like usual and who is going to kick the 5man premade who is now going to abuse this loophole?

New players obviously were complaining about being left behind.. It won't happen every run but people will go this far if it meant saving a good chunk of time. Also while we are on this not every new player wanted to watch the cutscenes.

As for the queue times being increased.. I don't know I had queues as short as five minutes and as long as a hour of course I never accepted the queue because the roulette is not worth my time.. I would think the we will be buffing rewards shows the roulette has had some negative impact since 4.2.

[BillyKaplan]

I don't understand why it is such a huge deal over this. It is the FINALE of ARR, let keep it epic for new players!

You're again systematically ignore the newbies, legit and honest first timers who couldn't care less about the plot and the story and only want to power through it. Also we've had some of those same legit, honest newbies who complained about the unskippable cutscenes.
You know what also would've made it epic? All the more so, probably? Making it a solo instance with some NPCs. Nowadays they more than have the tech for it. But they're hiding behind the excuse of it being old content so they won't revisit it (and this was what, exactly? lmao), and most likely will have to fight a mountain of horrible legacy code so they'd sooner make this change and up the awards until people actually run the roulette again. People need to stop acting like this was the only possible way to address this issue, especially after how long it's been in existence.

[Vhailor]

My point still stand. It is not because sprouts need vets than it was designed for vets. Cutscenes are for new players and they should have the right to enjoy it. The previous system made it impossible for them to enjoy it live with boss battle. Roulettes Reward are designed for vets to do old contents to help sprout. Please change reward and not content.

Personally, I'm not sure it's possible for SE to offer sufficient rewards for this, barring something truly ludicrous. In the time it takes to run a single Roulette for MSQ, someone can easily run 2-3 Level 70 dungeons. Are they going to start offering a couple of hundred Creation Tomestones alongside 50+ Mendacity? That would probably do the trick, but oof.

I also would argue for a return to the old system (over this current edition). I disagree with your reasoning, or would argue my position, based on two points.

(1) This change impacts a tiny minority of the player base. The vast majority of players have already cleared the storyline at least once. Only brand-new subscribers, or the relative few who subscribed but abandoned XIV prior to the MSQ missions, will ever benefit from this. Was it really worth rocking the boat this badly? SE had to spend time to develop this change; they're now having to pay attention to nontrivial queue impacts - and even that might not even work. This is one of those points in time when a half-assed solution simply doesn't make sense. Had this been timed for the launch of a new expansion, sure, I could maybe see an argument (particularly if the measure was temporary). Right now, though? Either fix it the real way (make it a solo instance and/or relocate the cutscenes), or don't touch it.

(2) The previous system did not make it impossible for new players to enjoy the MSQ the way it was originally intended. It simply made it impossible to do so using the Duty Finder. Yet, every day, there are plenty of Linkshells advertising themselves to players of all skill levels. There's also the Party Finder. Players have always had options. All SE really had to do was warn people; something like "due to the nature of these missions, Duty Finder is not likely to provide the recommended experience." Granted, that would involve admitting fairly publicly that they f***ed the pooch for these missions, but it's not like it isn't obvious to 99% of the existing player base. Either way, though, people have always had options. To act as if they were compelled to join the content through the DF is wrong.