Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[alimdia]

Regardless of what they do with the MSQ roulette or people who queue, I don't see any reason to force people to watch 20-30 mins of cutscenes unsynced, the whole point of undersized parties is to choose how we want to play, doing this with newbies who are not interested in watching cutscenes makes it more painful for no reason.

Or better yet, make those dungeons solo duties and fix all problems at once.

[SicariusSeven]

Wait so even if you do it undersized the cutscenes will be forced to play? I thought that was only for the roulette itself. Yikes!

[Felis]

Wait so even if you do it undersized the cutscenes will be forced to play? I thought that was only for the roulette itself. Yikes!

It is directly for the 2 dungeons, not for the MSQ roulette.
And because undersize mode only remove the size requirement, without changing the dungeon, it will still force the players to watch the CS.

[JaakRoot]

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Then I agree with you, no stats, no further discussion. SE chose this way, I believe they had a reason because they have the stats. ''a lot'', ''more than often'', ''this forum'' from your personal experience don't really qualify as stats. If SE thinks it starts to get big number overall, then SE, please find a better solution.

About PF solution, I did not know about how to use PF until this week as the game push you to duty finder now. I am lvl 57. But, if the new players cannot find a group in PF, then what ? ( as I mentioned, players need to be baby sit nowadays sadly), Use MSQ roulette for a fast clear and do it again later ?

I can't imagine the alert ...: Due to fewer people for old contents as the game progress, our system created for you to go on with your quest might result in the cutscenes and bosses being skipped. Please use the party finder if you want to enjoy the full story. If you can't find any party due to the content being old, please do it with duty finder and come back later when you are ilvl 260 and experience like a Echo flashback memory ! ( look like the bard quest ultima trial actually ...)

It is plainly admitting they did a bad system lol. As I said in the other thread and the topic of this thread, I agree with forced CSs being dumb in PF and I agree totally by removing it. Look like SE cannot do it or don't want to do it for whatever reason. I would choose force CSs over pre-4.2 system even with the PF problem.

About the disabilities need, it is out of topic and that's why I did not talk about it. Let not mix everything together.

I think the whole roulette concept and duty finder is insulting to human intelligence and social capability. Same with another major MMO i would not dare to speak here or I will get banned .

[Vstarstruck]

Then I agree with you, no stats, no further discussion. SE chose this way, I believe they had a reason because they have the stats. ''a lot'', ''more than often'', ''this forum'' from your personal experience don't really qualify as stats. If SE thinks it starts to get big number overall, then SE, please find a better solution.

About PF solution, I did not know about how to use PF until this week as the game push you to duty finder now. I am lvl 57. But, if the new players cannot find a group in PF, then what ? ( as I mentioned, players need to be baby sit nowadays sadly), Use MSQ roulette for a fast clear and do it again later ?

I can't imagine the alert ...: Due to fewer people for old contents as the game progress, our system created for you to go on with your quest might result in the cutscenes and bosses being skipped. Please use the party finder if you want to enjoy the full story. If you can't find any party due to the content being old, please do it with duty finder and come back later when you are ilvl 260 and experience like a Echo flashback memory ! ( look like the bard quest ultima trial actually ...)

It is plainly admitting they did a bad system lol. As I said in the other thread and the topic of this thread, I agree with forced CSs being dumb in PF and I agree totally by removing it. Look like SE cannot do it or don't want to do it for whatever reason. I would choose force CSs over pre-4.2 system even with the PF problem.

About the disabilities need, it is out of topic and that's why I did not talk about it. Let not mix everything together.

I think the whole roulette concept and duty finder is insulting to human intelligence and social capability. Same with another major MMO i would not dare to speak here or I will get banned .

still kinda missing the point..

You do not need 8 people to enter it esp though PF. You only need ONE other person, one friend 60+ ilevel 260 that can solo it, are you telling me it is THAT hard to find someone?

As I write this, a person I talk to is telling me about how there was a time some MSQ requirement was not in a df roulette selection. It is now in trial but back then a queue never popped for it. You know what they did? Got friends from friend list/ link shell etc (not sure if PF even existed then) to get a group to clear it because it was not appearing though the duty finder.

THERE is NO REASON what so ever to force 1 hour of cutscenes on people because of a few people unable to talk. I find the change simply insulting, and really rubs me the wrong way when they do this, and not increase access to those with disabilities. That is how they are related to me, I view it as a double standard. I am insulted they did this change, and not address other things.

You would chose forced CS over the old way because you can't talk to people and ask people go on a run with you? Sorry I do not like that concept of extreme babying.

I think.. I addressed the bold in my last post? explaining specifically what I would of preferred over this BS change? a pop up explaining there is long cs and that it might be a good idea to find a few friends to take yer time on it if you want to watch the cutscenes? What I bolded, is an effective putting words in my mouth.. i think.. I really do not know what you are trying to say.

This change was not needed nor asked for, I want to see a revert to pre 4.2 in regards to this issue.

[JaakRoot]

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Sorry, the part in bold was a bit ironic. I don't see SE admitting in game that there system is flawed and that it would result in all the bosses being dead after you finished watching all the CSs... I think duty finder was created to reduce queue time, not reducing player experience in mind.

I was glad they did the change just before I hit 50 because I did not know back then that it could potentially ruined my experience. There was no warning so I think you still agree that a change was indeed most welcomed. Maybe forced CSs was a lazy fix but it did the trick. They need to see now if it really is that bad or most people dealt with it. I don't think it is a huge deal from my point of view. Maybe the time and number will prove me wrong. And if I am wrong, I do hope they find a better solution.

(Again, a few unable to talk, maybe it is a lot unable to talk ? Duty finder is kind of the norm right now, maybe SE wants to keep it that way ?)

[Iscah]

As I’ve said somewhere in the other very long discussion, I suspect it may not be possible for them to give us a choice, even if they want to - the change has affected all ways of seeing the scenes, even rewatching them in the inn.

So I think it’s possible that only one version of the scene can exist in the system, and that is now unskippable and auto-scrolling - and it’s not possible to add whatever additional underlying programming would be required to support two versions of the scene and display the appropriate version on an instance-by-instance basis.

[BillyKaplan]

I suspect it may not be possible for them to give us a choice

That is factually incorrect. You are most likely correct about the system's current situation and why they haven't implemented it with a choice currently, but absolutely nothing in this game is set in stone. The reason they haven't done anything more sophisticated (or at the very least, user friendly...) is likely because it would require a systematic change. They saw the need to address the issue but somewhere along the chain of decision makers someone put their foot down and said it wasn't important enough to invest that much time in it.
It's possible to give us a choice, just like how it's possible to make those two dungeons into solo instances. But for reasons that are beyond us, and likely many of us will disagree with, they chose not to.

[Astral145]

That content is for new players. You will only see it in ARR MSQ content. You only need to run it once and never have to run it again for that character. Its fair and logical to have it as is. I dont know how many times I've seen new players get frustrated because the group moved so far ahead that the new player cannot get back to the group or they are forced to skip the content. That is not fair at all for the new players and it needs to stay the way it is so the new player can enjoy the story.

This MSQ content is not for players that already completed it. You do not have to queue up for it. I queue up for it so new players can complete the content + I enjoy the cut-scenes. So stop complaining about it... I agree with the devs decision to keep it the way it is now.

Learn to have some patience and empathy.

[Anarnee]

This MSQ content is not for players that already completed it. You do not have to queue up for it. I queue up for it so new players can complete the content + I enjoy the cut-scenes. So stop complaining about it... I agree with the devs decision to keep it the way it is now.

Learn to have some patience and empathy.

Those dungeons are for whoever has to do them again.

I do not have to run it once, I have alts, I don't care about it being forced on players in the roulettes, but when I'm leveling new characters and trying to do other parts of the story again, I should not be forced to do it in this archaic way. You can't preach about empathy when you are refusing to understand that this effects other peoples styles of play that differ from your own.

Allowing the CS to be skipped if we go in unsynced does not effect the Main Scenario roulette.