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  1. #211
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    Thats such an easy thing to say versus standing your ground, im not one to accept bs sorry
    I said "sometimes". You make it sound like I said "always". You will find there are battles worth fighting and there are battles not worth fighting, and you will find there are battles for which you are doomed to lose no matter what. This is life. You can scream, cry, and pout all you want, but it's not going to change the fact. The wisdom is in knowing which case is present and to respond accordingly.

    Again, can the system be better? Quite possibly. Will it ever be perfect and free of unfairness? Very unlikely, and the reason is because there will always be that contingent of players that seek to circumvent and break the system to gain an unfair advantage at the expense of others or those individuals who do so to inflict pain on others for their own twisted amusement.

    And just to preempt the suggestion that instanced housing will be a perfect solution, I guarantee there will a contingent who will lament such a solution (in fact, there is already at least one thread doing exactly that) because they will feel it takes away the value and prestige in the homeownership and/or is extremely deleterious to RPing. One could just say to those people "Tough! Suck it up, noob!", but the exact same statement could be said the other way, for the same reasons, even.
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  2. #212
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    I know you said sometimes, but imo it doesnt apply here, win or lose, this is bs, se can prevent this, they did mistakes yes, do they purposely continue the wheel of fortune? maybe, but to claim that theres no way in pleasing more than a majority of the angry playerbase on this is false, as others said before management is part of it, we get almost every pieces of the puzzle as to why its like this & where it come from & how it could possibly be fixed? from both creators & playerbase, now as the when, we have to wait like usual & while everyone cant be pleased, im quite certain that BETTER can be done, in no way locking individuals was ok, its done we cant go back in time, but still, while i wont cry a river, i wont consider it acceptable either
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  3. #213
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    Quote Originally Posted by DioK View Post
    Not possible under the current system, and even with a ward system, there will be an unhappy contingent because they will lament the loss of the RP or will want to link their houses into a persistent town. Thee will always be someone crying foul no matter what you do.
    Entirely possible. SE refuses to take the action necessary to make it happen. That's on them.

    It's disingenuous in the extreme to compare someone "crying foul" over a trivial thing and SE telling half the playerbase that an entire system is permanently locked out from them because they're too cheap to address the problem. They should do that with some other systems and see how it goes. "Sorry, 500 people already did the MSQ this week, you'll have to wait until reset because reasons."
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  4. #214
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    ...someone "crying foul" over a trivial thing...
    Nice twisting of words with that insertion. No, there will always be someone crying foul, no matter what, trivial or non-trivial, because there will always be someone unhappy with the state of affairs. I guarantee any system or policy you personally can come up with will have some number of people levying some measure of grievances against it to the same degree and with the same fervor. The difference is that you personally will be more happy with it, and a different set of people will not be.

    And at this point, I've said my piece. I don’t feel a need to reiterate it further. I'm going back to the game.
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  5. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarnee View Post
    I really don't like how people keep attacking others that just want their own space.
    This exactly, it's horrible what some people are saying to each other around here. FCs need a house, but they don't want to accept the fact that an FC can function the same regardless of what house they have. They just WANT the nicer house, just like individuals do. If they can make the statement that there are plenty of smalls left and we should just suffer, then why can't an FC or a current owner do the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DioK View Post
    That's life.
    There is so much wrong with this statement. First off, this is a game which is supposed to be a way to get away from the crap that happens in everyday lives. Secondly the FF housing market is more unfair than most things that happen IRL. I'm sitting here in a house that I owned and it took not nearly half as much effort to get compared to this virtual house. IRL if you work hard enough for something you can get what you want. It's all about how determined you are and how well you can plan ahead.

    Locking players out like this is harsher than anything in reality. This is similar to saying "The amount of time you stood in line or how much money you have doesn't matter, you can't buy a collectors edition copy of FFXIV for two weeks, that is restricted to beta players." The result of that would be nobody would be able to get the Collectors copy, even someone who had been waiting in line for a week, shit like that is WRONG.
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  7. #217
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    Quote Originally Posted by DioK View Post
    Nice twisting of words with that insertion. No, there will always be someone crying foul, no matter what, trivial or non-trivial, because there will always be someone unhappy with the state of affairs. I guarantee any system or policy you personally can come up with will have some number of people levying some measure of grievances against it to the same degree and with the same fervor. The difference is that you personally will be more happy with it, and a different set of people will not be.

    And at this point, I've said my piece. I don’t feel a need to reiterate it further. I'm going back to the game.
    Some complaints are more valid than others. If you can't figure that out, then I can't help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    ...
    If we were to compare the Shirogane launch with a corresponding real life event...well it would be like queuing in a long line as far as the eye can see, while randomly being kicked to the back of the line even if you managed to actually get into the shop and speak with the shop assistant at the counter. Needless to say this sort of thing doesn't really happen in real life.
    Some of the horror stories of black friday sales I've heard could be comparable...

    No lines, big mobs of people rushing to get in, people getting knocked over/trampled...
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  9. #219
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    Some complaints are more valid than others. If you can't figure that out, then I can't help you.
    By whose judgement? I can tell you that everyone always feels their particular complaint is more valid than others. Ultimately, SE is going to be the final arbiter on that point. If they feel your complaint has merit, they may address it; if not, then they won't.
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  10. #220
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    Some complaints are more valid than others. If you can't figure that out, then I can't help you.
    I agree with that comment, that is not the topic tho sadly, & by that i mean like, i am not going to start flipping tables because apparently some ppl are unable to understand that, & that include most of everyone but the whole point here is that what was done on blocking individuals feels like a lowblow
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