Housing restrictions not fair for individuals.

[HoloKraft]

As the saying goes, you can please some people some of the time, but you'll never please all the people all the time.

What about when nobody is happy except a small fraction of the community? Just because someone owns the house they want, doesn't mean that they're happy with the system and don't complain about it. House or not ill keep saying something until its fair for everyone.

I think people tend to forget that Final Fantasy is a game, there is nothing wrong with wanting to have the things you have worked for. For a lot of people games are a way to escape real life for a little bit, this housing crisis is too eerily close to how things work IRL. Few get everything they want and everyone else is shafted.

It's almost worse in FF because someone who worked their ass off to get the things they want are LITERALLY being locked out of it.

[DioK]

What about when nobody is happy except a small fraction of the community? Just because someone owns the house they want, doesn't mean that they're happy with the system and don't complain about it. House or not ill keep saying something until its fair for everyone.

I think people tend to forget that Final Fantasy is a game, there is nothing wrong with wanting to have the things you have worked for. For a lot of people games are a way to escape real life for a little bit, this housing crisis is too eerily close to how things work IRL. Few get everything they want and everyone else is shafted.

It's almost worse in FF because someone who worked their ass off to get the things they want are LITERALLY being locked out of it.

You don't know for a fact everyone is unhappy. You’re probably just presuming from the forums, but forums are only going to be filled with people complaining. The ones who are happy (or at least content) usually don’t say anything cause they're busy playing the game, enjoying themselves. And I guarantee any system that even you come up with will have some way it can be exploited, and there will be a significant contingent of gamers who will do, because that's just how they behave. The result will be, of course, an unfair situation will cause discord and discontent. As long as you have people who are determinedly unwilling to share or play well with others, situations like the current housing issue will form and persist no matter what you do. Not going to say SE could not have come up with a better system, but no system they ever come up with is ever going to yield a perfect solution cause it’s always the players who will seek to break it.

Also, in regard to your last statement, sometimes you don’t get what you want, no matter how hard you work for it. That's life. You learn to live with it and keep moving forward.

[Penthea]

Also, in regard to your last statement, sometimes you don’t get what you want, no matter how hard you work for it. That's life. You learn to live with it and keep moving forward.

This can't really be compared with ff housing. Usually in real life if you want a product, you'll eventually get it provided you have the money. Maybe it's out of stock when you get the cash together, but it will be restocked at some point soon enough and then you'll have it. In real life if you have the money for something, someone will find a way to sell it to you.

This is not the case with housing in ff. There are players who have had the gil for years and still don't have a house. The want to throw their gil at a placard but they can't.

If we were to compare the Shirogane launch with a corresponding real life event...well it would be like queuing in a long line as far as the eye can see, while randomly being kicked to the back of the line even if you managed to actually get into the shop and speak with the shop assistant at the counter. Needless to say this sort of thing doesn't really happen in real life.

[DioK]

Usually in real life if you want a product, you'll eventually get it provided you have the money. Maybe it's out of stock when you get the cash together, but it will be restocked at some point soon enough and then you'll have it. In real life if you have the money for something, someone will find a way to sell it to you.

In real life, there are cases where that is not true. I've been in those cases and seen others be in those cases. No, just like in real life, you don't always get what you want and you can't have everything your way. Sometimes you just have to be adult and deal with it.

Honestly, guys, if you really feel that bad about it all and having the entirety of your fun with the game being ruined, rather than waste time and energy pissing about it, just go find another game with which you will find more enjoyment.

I won’t claim the current system is perfect, cause it's not. But, in my opinion, it’s a helluva lot better than before. At least when individual housing opens, there will be people that will get a house (at least on my server, Ultros, there were tons of lots sitting vacant in all districts, last I looked, which was yesterday). Further, there is now the explicit restriction of 1 FC house and 1 personal house per account per server. That enforcement didn’t exist previously, but now it does. Now one thing I would have like to have seen is incentive given to multiple house owners (of which I am not, by the way) to give up some of their houses to make more available for those who don't yet have one. Before, there were many FCs that were homeless; now, that is not so true. Individuals have multiple options for housing, a personal house, an apartment, a private room within an FC. As far as I know, an FC has precisely 1 option for house and that is to buy a house. So, I can easily see why the priority would be given to FCs. And, yet, despite, there still remains, after the addition of wards, a fair number of houses available for individuals, a situation that did not exist prior. Furthermore, as far as I know, the demolition timing is back on; so, there is a possibility, in the future, that houses will become open. Even further, the random timer on a freed lot becoming available for purchase makes house flipping somewhat more difficult, at least not without leaving an obvious trail of FC name changing and ownership hand-off.

However, no matter what you do, there will always be those bad apples that will seek to ruin it for others, either for their own self gain or twisted amusement. Just like in real life, there are plenty of laws intended to stop people from doing certain immoral or unethical things, but people find ways to do them anyway. Also, just like in real life, nothing stops you from going out and murdering a bunch of people other than your own morals, ethics, sense of decency, or just fear of retribution should you get caught, no matter what laws may exist. Again, it's not the rules or the system that is the problem; the problem is the behavior and mindset of the people playing the game. As long as there are those people bound and determined to not share or play well with others (like the case of FCs splintering into small groups to buy up entire wards), there will always be a problem, no matter what the rules say. About the only case for which that might not be true would be if there is no housing at all, a position I could easily agree with, given the behavior of players in this game, despite myself owning a cottage in Shirogane (I was lucky enough to relocate to the exact plot I had originally wanted when Shirogane first opened, and I did so like 4 hours after the servers had gone live).

Now, I expect when individual housing opens, it will again be a shxxshow just like last time, but presumably, a greater number of individuals will be successful in buying a house.

[Ruf]

In real life, there are cases where that is not true. I've been in those cases and seen others be in those cases. No, just like in real life, you don't always get what you want and you can't have everything your way. Sometimes you just have to be adult and deal with it.

Thats such an easy thing to say versus standing your ground, im not one to accept bs sorry

[DioK]

Thats such an easy thing to say versus standing your ground, im not one to accept bs sorry

I said "sometimes". You make it sound like I said "always". You will find there are battles worth fighting and there are battles not worth fighting, and you will find there are battles for which you are doomed to lose no matter what. This is life. You can scream, cry, and pout all you want, but it's not going to change the fact. The wisdom is in knowing which case is present and to respond accordingly.

Again, can the system be better? Quite possibly. Will it ever be perfect and free of unfairness? Very unlikely, and the reason is because there will always be that contingent of players that seek to circumvent and break the system to gain an unfair advantage at the expense of others or those individuals who do so to inflict pain on others for their own twisted amusement.

And just to preempt the suggestion that instanced housing will be a perfect solution, I guarantee there will a contingent who will lament such a solution (in fact, there is already at least one thread doing exactly that) because they will feel it takes away the value and prestige in the homeownership and/or is extremely deleterious to RPing. One could just say to those people "Tough! Suck it up, noob!", but the exact same statement could be said the other way, for the same reasons, even.

[Ruf]

I know you said sometimes, but imo it doesnt apply here, win or lose, this is bs, se can prevent this, they did mistakes yes, do they purposely continue the wheel of fortune? maybe, but to claim that theres no way in pleasing more than a majority of the angry playerbase on this is false, as others said before management is part of it, we get almost every pieces of the puzzle as to why its like this & where it come from & how it could possibly be fixed? from both creators & playerbase, now as the when, we have to wait like usual & while everyone cant be pleased, im quite certain that BETTER can be done, in no way locking individuals was ok, its done we cant go back in time, but still, while i wont cry a river, i wont consider it acceptable either

[Ruf]

If i cant do anything about it, then i cant do anything about it, but i will still voice things outloud for sure

[HoloKraft]

That's life.

There is so much wrong with this statement. First off, this is a game which is supposed to be a way to get away from the crap that happens in everyday lives. Secondly the FF housing market is more unfair than most things that happen IRL. I'm sitting here in a house that I owned and it took not nearly half as much effort to get compared to this virtual house. IRL if you work hard enough for something you can get what you want. It's all about how determined you are and how well you can plan ahead.

Locking players out like this is harsher than anything in reality. This is similar to saying "The amount of time you stood in line or how much money you have doesn't matter, you can't buy a collectors edition copy of FFXIV for two weeks, that is restricted to beta players." The result of that would be nobody would be able to get the Collectors copy, even someone who had been waiting in line for a week, shit like that is WRONG.