Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Fynlar]

Why? SE ultimately doesn't have any reason to care if people can't speedrun this for levelling other jobs. There are lots of other roulettes and methods of doing that. The purpose of this one is to get sprouts through the MSQ. So long as it accomplishes that, there's no reason for them to change anything.

If people can't have a satisfactory experience playing the MSQ roulette, guess what happens? People will stop queueing that roulette.

Care to explain how the sprouts will DF those MSQ roulette dungeons once no one bothers doing the roulette anymore?

[MistakeNot]

If people can't have a satisfactory experience playing the MSQ roulette, guess what happens? People will stop queueing that roulette.

Care to explain how the sprouts will DF those MSQ roulette dungeons once no one bothers doing the roulette anymore?

Some people will keep doing the MSQ roulette even with forced cutscenes. Fewer than before to be certain, but it won't be the case that "no one bothers" running it.

If enough people will keep doing the MSQ roulette that new people can run Castrum/Praetorium without excessive queue times - THAT is the interesting question, and one we don't know the answer to quite yet.

[Jijifli]

I agree it should be changed, but currently it benefits the people that particular roulette was created for the most and affects the people interested in xp/tomes per minute the least.

Not every new player wants to see the cutscenes in Castrum. Or was the roulette all this time intended to be cutscene roulette and not, "Get this player through story" roulette?

[Krotoan]

Not every new player wants to see the cutscenes in Castrum. Or was the roulette all this time intended to be cutscene roulette and not, "Get this player through story" roulette?

No not every player does, but the ones who did had no obvious option to get that done. They were instructed by the game to "use duty finder" only to end up in a party uninterested in their experience and only in the xp/tomes they could get. The roulette was created for those who needed to get past those MSQ dungeons. Everyone in this thread is talking of "forced to watch cutscenes" like it's some sort of torture. In the hours necessary to complete this game it's minor and comparing the two kinds of people , newbies who don't care about the story and would rather rush through and newbies who want to enjoy the story, who had more options in the past? The INTENT was to get new players party members if they couldn't locate their own. The refined intent, as has been demonstrated by their new rule, is to allow newbies to enjoy the story AND find party members who are OK with that. People who don't care can still clear it to continue but with a minor inconvenience. As has been said several times in this thread though, I am in support of removing the restriction from PF and Solo instances, but if that cannot be separated I still believe the greater good is allowing people to experience a very crucial part of the first story arc in full without having to negotiate it.

[Jijifli]

Everyone in this thread is talking of "forced to watch cutscenes" like it's some sort of torture. In the hours necessary to complete this game it's minor

Do me a favor please. Go pick an episode from a show you like, okay? Any show is fine. Now watch that selected episode over and over. Tell me you never get sick of seeing the exact same scene over and over again.

That's what happens when you force cutscenes. You're making us rewatch an episode over and over every time we queue up. That'll drive people insane.

The INTENT was to get new players party members if they couldn't locate their own. The refined intent, as has been demonstrated by their new rule, is to allow newbies to enjoy the story AND find party members who are OK with that.

Let's use the perspective of a player that has no idea what is inside of Castrum and Praetorium. This player is used to dungeon related runs being 15-20 minutes since we just speedrun the leveling dungeons anyways. They noticed how short it takes to do dungeons so these shouldn't be different right? It takes them a while to get in because less people are queuing, but eventually, either from that roulette or mentor roulette, it fills. 45 minutes later... they're irritated it's taking so long. Why is it taking so long? Just the cutscenes?

I haven't exactly done it on an alt for story since the change, but does the game alert the dungeon will take longer than most? Whenever cutscenes take more than 5 minutes in story they seem to put a warning going, "HEY THIS TAKES A WHILE" before they let you see them. Castrum and Prae doesn't warn you though, not when you unlock, and if you don't have access to the roulette, the duty finder doesn't even tell you that you're forced into cutscenes. Check the actual dungeon descriptions, nowhere does it say forced cutscenes, so why do people outside of roulette gotta be hit?

[Vstarstruck]

Do me a favor please. Go pick an episode from a show you like, okay? Any show is fine. Now watch that selected episode over and over. Tell me you never get sick of seeing the exact same scene over and over again.

I tried to tell them that long ago, and several times. It was ignored every time. They are just a white knight troll and will not respond to logical criticism. I find it even more amusing they took out the sing quote that advertises how much of a troll they are. (or least i do not see it in that last post for some reason)

The INTENT was to get new players party members if they couldn't locate their own. The refined intent, as has been demonstrated by their new rule, is to allow newbies to enjoy the story AND find party members who are OK with that. People who don't care can still clear it to continue but with a minor inconvenience. As has been said several times in this thread though, I am in support of removing the restriction from PF and Solo instances, but if that cannot be separated I still believe the greater good is allowing people to experience a very crucial part of the first story arc in full without having to negotiate it.

THEY do not tech people well on the pf. Have you ever tried to help someone running the level 50 extremes for the first time? Have you ever ran MSQ with people with the ability to run it themselves but wanted to hold the group hostage? There are more problems in this game then a few people being "rushed" to watch CS. SE does not address things that cases problems fo more players because it shows how out of touch hey are with the user base. What about menu hell for new players? I seen people have more problems with that, then a select minority whining about CS.

Or what about this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Sensory-Issues
?

I find it really insulting they do not address bigger issues and make a change that only helps such a small minority of players and not change things that really need changing. (And those problems, like this sound issue, impact people to much greater degree then people and CS, they always had the option to watch CS, these problems i am referring to are forced and there is no way around them.

[Krotoan]

Do me a favor please. Go pick an episode from a show you like, okay? Any show is fine. Now watch that selected episode over and over. Tell me you never get sick of seeing the exact same scene over and over again.That's what happens when you force cutscenes. You're making us rewatch an episode over and over every time we queue up. That'll drive people insane.

They aren't making you do ANYTHING. Don't do them. That's my point. If you are the kind of person who can't stand it. DON'T DO IT. It's not required for you. You're not some sort of selfless martyr if you DO do them, but you're also not evil if you decide that roulette queue is not for you anymore. This is how we find out if there are enough of the kind of people who CAN deal with it to keep the roulette sustained.

On a side note, you've never babysat before have you?

Let's use the perspective of a player that has no idea what is inside of Castrum and Praetorium. This player is used to dungeon related runs being 15-20 minutes since we just speedrun the leveling dungeons anyways. They noticed how short it takes to do dungeons so these shouldn't be different right? It takes them a while to get in because less people are queuing, but eventually, either from that roulette or mentor roulette, it fills. 45 minutes later... they're irritated it's taking so long. Why is it taking so long? Just the cutscenes?

I haven't exactly done it on an alt for story since the change, but does the game alert the dungeon will take longer than most? Whenever cutscenes take more than 5 minutes in story they seem to put a warning going, "HEY THIS TAKES A WHILE" before they let you see them. Castrum and Prae doesn't warn you though, not when you unlock, and if you don't have access to the roulette, the duty finder doesn't even tell you that you're forced into cutscenes. Check the actual dungeon descriptions, nowhere does it say forced cutscenes, so why do people outside of roulette gotta be hit?

I've already mentioned I think people should have the choice when queuing them solo or PF, but it also doesn't warn you that "people may skip the cutscenes and leave you behind , but you can watch them later at the inn. However you will not have the context of the fights or ingame text to frame these.". You think this is a matter of warning? If they just added a text box with your proposed warning it'd be OK then? Or would people just click on it anyway and progress because you have to? Maybe a box that you click "nah" and it skips the entire dungeon and gives you no XP. Nobody has a choice whether they do it the first time or not, warning or not.

You're also using an example of a longer time that may or may not happen. The queues have gone up yes, but unless I'm horribly uninformed primetime has only gone up to about 20 minutes for a DPS and is still within 5 minutes for healer or tank.

[Usho]

Dear SE:

My suggestion to you guys is to make the MSQ dungeons as "solo-instances". That way new players can see the cutscenes, and fight the bosses with the msq characters to make the ending more enjoyable for them. Better yet, allow squadrons to be available to newbies in those dungeons to make the fights easier.

Second Suggestion: Just kill off MSQ roulette. No one wants to watch the same 2 episodes of MSQ over and over and over again. Unless people have a ***ish for re-runs of tv shows they won't do this roulette again.

Third Suggestion: Make the rewards worth doing the roulette for. Current rewards is meh and not worth wasting 45+ mins (plus the added wait time via queue especially for dps ppl) to finish this roulette.

/2 cents

[wildbill]

I went into these instances with a friend a few weeks ago before the patch. I am sorry to say it was one of the most awful experiences.

I’ve been through them "a time or two". Original story and duty roulette. I personally skipped the cutscenes my first time through as I was well aware of the controversy. Totally ruined my experience! But I got through it.

My friend said there was no way he was going to have the same experience I had. He watched the cutscenes. When he came to, everyone was way ahead of him and he had no idea what to do. Total confusion!!! Total Chaos!!! I went back to find him and it just kept going downhill from there. Both instances. That is when I really saw just how bad it was for new players trying to experience the full game.

It was way worse than my first experience! HORRIBLE!

They're trying to appease two crowds - Those going through the MSQ, and those leveling. But there is content involved. You only need to see it once.

To appease both crowds, you need a distinction.

Those who want to skip the cutscenes and those who don't.

Those who don't skip the cutscenes should get bonus rewards as they do now. Perhaps a little sweetener would help. Those who skip, don't get any cutscenes except before and after the instance. These can be skipped too.

Duty finder should prompt each player and ask how they want to experience it. Then it should queue people based off of that distinction. Two separate queues for the same instance and different rewards for each.

This way, people wishing to experience the whole story can still do so, and people wishing to farm can still do so. New players can also decide if they want to skip the custscenes too. Just like I did. It all then comes down to the individual player and how they choose to experience the content.

There really should be an option since there is controversy.

[Coratanni]

Queue'd for it last night on my 61 warrior and had an instant pop. I had forgotten alot of the cutscenes as it had been a couple of years. Everything went smoothly with the group and I got over 1m experience for the roulette. I didnt keep track of the induty experience. As long as I have time I'll keep adding it to my roulette list of things to run.