Housing Suggestions

[Fynlar]

Well, it's not going to happen. They already said as much.

Here's what I want to know: do you actually stand by "original intentions" or not?

If yes, why are you defending their new policy of no more than 1 personal house per server and saying people who had more should get evictions when that wasn't the way it was before?
If no, why are you making a point out of housing only being "originally intended" for FCs, when clearly that isn't the case anymore and hasn't been for a while?

[Sothis]

That's my opinion and no amount of QQ from you (or the rest of the whiners here) is going to change it.

There's someone whining about things in here, but it's certainly not me.

Here we go again: All I want is for SE to enforce the housing restrictions on the thieves they grandfathered into the housing system. All players should have exactly one personal house per server per account, and the rest should be forcibly released freeing up housing for more players.

Except for the part where you literally just said players should be evicted from their personal larges. Not all people with personal larges are slum lords. You're out for blood from 100% legit players too, because of some sense of entitlement to things they have. You keep claiming they're "denying people a house" but there are houses open for purchase on every single server right at this moment. Hundreds of houses on most servers. It's clearly got nothing to do with having a house.

[Jellybums]

When you only think of multi-plot owners as thieves, the dialogue dies there. You'll just be talking at whoever tells you otherwise. I understand the part about houses were originally intended for FCs, wouldn't be surprised at all if they were. But you have to admit if not for personal buyers, wards would mostly be empty and who knows if we'd even have a housing system at all if the wards were scrapped as failures.

[Mahrze]

#DeleteFFXIVHousing. THEN we can all cry about how we don't have houses anymore.

[Almagnus1]

Well, it's not going to happen. They already said as much.

Here's what I want to know: do you actually stand by "original intentions" or not?

If yes, why are you defending their new policy of no more than 1 personal house per server and saying people who had more should get evictions when that wasn't the way it was before?
If no, why are you making a point out of housing only being "originally intended" for FCs, when clearly that isn't the case anymore and hasn't been for a while?

Because it's a little more complicated than the black and white answer you seek, and you care not for the nuance, so I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone that doesn't want to listen.

You're out for blood from 100% legit players too

Yeah, because players that have more than one personal house per server per account are 100% legit...

Don't try to take the moral high ground when you're standing in the morass of illgotten gains.

When you only think of multi-plot owners as thieves, the dialogue dies there.

By the current restrictions, SE redefined them to be thieves - for they have resources they should not have, and resources another could use.

If that's not the definition of thievery, I don't know what is.

But you have to admit if not for personal buyers, wards would mostly be empty and who knows if we'd even have a housing system at all if the wards were scrapped as failures.

Or if SE would have had the stones to enforce their restrictions upon the player-base and not grandfather anyone in, we wouldn't have this discussion. SE doesn't allow any newer player to have more than one personal house per account per server, so why should they grandfather in the older owners?

SE needs to have the stones to force the older owners to release their excess houses. If a newer player can't get it, they shouldn't have it either.

[MizArai]

All players should have exactly one personal house per server per account, and the rest should be forcibly released freeing up housing for more players. The same should go for the FC houses - ending the ability for these thieves to own more than two houses per server per account.

Honest to God question here. I have multiple characters on one server (on many servers actually, but lets just stick to my main server for this). My multiple characters are spread across 3 FCs, all of which now have their own house. Which two FCs should lose their house since I'm a member, or should people like me who are members of multiple FCs be forced to pick just 1 FC to be part of? Limiting to only 1 FC house per account per server is fine for not being able to purchase anymore, however, if you're wanting to enforce the rule completely, not just the purchasing aspect, you're opening up a whole new can of worms that I'm pretty sure you haven't considered.

Or if SE would have had the stones to enforce their restrictions upon the player-base and not grandfather anyone in, we wouldn't have this discussion. SE doesn't allow any newer player to have more than one personal house per account per server, so why should they grandfather in the older owners?

SE needs to have the stones to force the older owners to release their excess houses. If a newer player can't get it, they shouldn't have it either.

A few years ago, there was a glitch where people could add their alts to their friends list. Those people can send themselves mail and add themselves as tenants at their homes. It was not something ever intended as part of the design of the game, and it definitely is something new players cannot do. Should SE go back and remove this from the old players? Should anything and everything that has ever been grandfathered in be removed and "fixed"? I know I'd be pissed if my lofts that I was able to place because of a UI glitch that was fixed with 4.2 were taken from me and I had to try the new (much, much harder) way to hope to get them back.

I really don't understand why you are filled with so much hatred towards anything being grandfathered in. I read a great example in the forums somewhere (I may try to find it later to add the quote), but it basically said in real life if you build a house, you have to build it to the codes and laws as they are right then. If your city/ town/ county/ state/ country/ whoever changes the codes which housing has to be built to, you don't have to rebuild/ fix your house to meet those new codes even though any new houses have to meet those codes. If you try to upgrade your old home, then you have to meet the new codes, but just because the laws (rules) changed, doesn't mean that they should be retro-active and everyone in the town should have to rebuild everything just to meet the new coding. That's how things get grandfathered in, and it's almost always a better system for everyone.

[Mahrze]

Because it's a little more complicated than the black and white answer you seek, and you care not for the nuance, so I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone that doesn't want to listen.

Nuance? Nah, mate. You want a house reset with very limiting rules.

Yeah, because players that have more than one personal house per server per account are 100% legit... Don't try to take the moral high ground when you're standing in the morass of illgotten gains.

Citation needed.

By the current restrictions, SE redefined them to be thieves - for they have resources they should not have, and resources another could use. If that's not the definition of thievery, I don't know what is.

To be accused of theft, someone has to have lost something that belonged to them. Said resource had no owner. SE taking the plots they bought in a retroactive manner would fall into more of a term for thievery than your rationale.

Or if SE would have had the stones to enforce their restrictions upon the player-base and not grandfather anyone in, we wouldn't have this discussion. SE doesn't allow any newer player to have more than one personal house per account per server, so why should they grandfather in the older owners? SE needs to have the stones to force the older owners to release their excess houses. If a newer player can't get it, they shouldn't have it either.

Instead of making entitled statements you should point to the actual issue. Houses are not released faster than they think they are. Plenty of demolition suspensions have happened in game which severely impede the housing rotation they expect. Either deploy housing wards faster or the demolition schedule should continue, regardless of outside affairs. I vote for the former, more houses, more often.

[hynaku]

Add workshops to private housing since can have 5 others with full access to your private house and Since alts can't own a fc house anymore. That way your friends can help with crafting air ships, subs, and other housing items.

[Fynlar]

Because it's a little more complicated than the black and white answer you seek, and you care not for the nuance, so I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone that doesn't want to listen.

Read: I'm totally a hypocrite but can't admit it, so I'm going to write it off as everyone else being too closed-minded to understand. That'll show em!

ok bro.

Yeah, because players that have more than one personal house per server per account are 100% legit...

There was never any rule against it when they got them, so yep, it is 100% legit. Glad to see you agree.

[Sothis]

Yeah, because players that have more than one personal house per server per account are 100% legit...

Don't try to take the moral high ground when you're standing in the morass of illgotten gains.

I'm talking about your incredibly sweeping "take every personal large" statement. Spoiler: I have a single personal home, on a single character, on a single account, which I bought as an open lot. There is nothing ill-gotten about any of it. There is literally no reason for me to be penalized, but you're calling for it anyway because, uh, feelings I guess?