Housing Suggestions

[Mahrze]

Cause almost all of those are F2P MMOs and using instanced housing allows them to push microtransactions like you wouldn't believe

Here's the thing though. SE makes a killing from subs AND mogstation. Added to all the paraphernalia related to this game. So it has plenty of cash flowing from it.

They don't need to push any more items than the cosmetics they already do.

[Mahrze]

I hate to break it to you, but server code is all 64 bit, and quantum computers generally aren't widely used outside of research areas.

Please stop trying to make stuff up to make yourself sound smarter.

Why do you always fall into A straw-man fallacy? Your tech-savvy explanations mean nothing when they (SE) continue to give responses like old hardware or code limitations. Accept that not only are you not properly acquainted with how these servers are actually run, but that at most your argument against instances is guesswork at best.

At worst, it's a 50/50 split, at best, you're sacrificing one customer to make 16 happy. There is no numerical argument where the multiple house owners come out ahead, just a selfish emotional one that should be disregarded.

Citation needed

[Almagnus1]

Why do you always fall into A straw-man fallacy?

Maybe I was giving you too much intellectual credit? I shall correct that mistake.

Citation needed

One person owns two personal homes. One gets force released, another person doesn't have a home, gets one. One person happy, one person sad, a 50/50 split.

One person has 7 alts and all 8 characters own a personal house, and all are in one person FCs, thus one person owns 16 houses. They get reduced down to a personal house and an FC house, losing 14 houses, thus 14 happy. They get mad and leave the game, thus, another 2 people happy. Thus, one person sacrificed, 16 happy.

That's like common sense 101 stuff >.>

dude there's like two successful subscription-based MMOs on the market anymore, and one is this one and the other doesn't have housing, why would you even use that as a reason against it?

Which proves the point that what FFXIV does shouldn't follow what the F2P MMO does because FFXIV is operating on a completely different monetization model, coupled with a general lack of store prompts that infest most of the F2P MMOs out there... so something (like their housing model) may not be as relevant because F2P MMOs can get away with doing server inefficient stuff (like instanced housing) because the F2P MMOs don't have the population that FFXIV does.

Housing is also one of the reasons why WoW grossly simplified the concept and implemented it as the garrison in WoD.

[Elamys]

Which proves the point that what FFXIV does shouldn't follow what the F2P does because FFXIV is operating on a completely different monetization model, coupled with a general lack of store prompts that infest most of the F2P MMOs out there... so something (like their housing model) may not be as relevant because they can get away with doing server inefficient stuff (like instanced housing) because the F2P MMOs don't have the population that FFXIV does.

Housing is also one of the reasons why WoW grossly simplified the concept and implemented it as the garrison in WoD.

This is ridiculous. Wildstar had housing as a core part of its gameplay before it went F2P. So did a number of other MMOs.

This game has a problem because it's built on the archaic and god-awful structure that was used in 1.0, not because F2P MMOs do stuff inefficiently "because they can" or whatever. Also, Garrisons are not housing, and never should be considered as housing. Blizzard has said they don't want to add housing because they don't want people to hole themselves up in it and never go elsewhere in the world, not because of server or game limitations.

[Almagnus1]

This is ridiculous. Wildstar had housing as a core part of its gameplay before it went F2P. So did a number of other MMOs.

They still failed and went F2P, and many are rather dull solofests now - which is exaclty what instanced housing brings with it. Solofication of an MMO is to be avoided at all costs because that makes a social game feel very RPGish... and there's already enough of that in the MSQ for new players that we don't need to add to it.

This game has a problem because it's built on the archaic and god-awful structure that was used in 1.0, not because F2P MMOs do stuff inefficiently "because they can" or whatever.

You may want to check https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/sp...woken/housing/, AFAIK housing didn't exist in 1.0, and I would doubt SE would stick to 1.0 server code as SE basically rewrote FFXIV from the ground up going by what was said in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRZ_4H0OK60.

Also, Garrisons are not housing, and never should be considered as housing. Blizzard has said they don't want to add housing because they don't want people to hole themselves up in it and never go elsewhere in the world, not because of server or game limitations.

It's still as close as WoW got to it and people did exactly that with the garrisons.

Because I can't stand when people turn to ad hominem as a new base for their arguments when no one agrees with them. Nor can I stand it when people are hypocritical, or when a pot starts calling the kettles black.

**Holds up a mirror**

Now say that to the reflection.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

**Holds up a mirror**

Now say that to the reflection.

Translation: "I can be rude, abrasive and antagonistic because of my purported vast intelligence. But if you dare point out my hypocrisy, you're just being rude, abrasive and antagonistic. Stop derailing my thread!!!"

Even the insane trolls are questioning this logic.

[HyoMinPark]

Maybe I was giving you too much intellectual credit? I shall correct that mistake.

You know, for someone who was so quick to accuse others of personal attacks in your other thread, you sure to enjoy making them yourself. Unless you work for SE and know their infrastructure, you can’t make assumptions on their hardware when they themselves have said numerous times that they have server limitations.

[Elamys]

dude there's like two successful subscription-based MMOs on the market anymore, and one is this one and the other doesn't have housing, why would you even use that as a reason against it?

[Menriq]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and have every right to express your suggestions, but at the end of the day, SE is going to do what they what they want. The choice each person has to make is whether they will accept the change and continue paying, or decide the changes are not what they like and will walk away. I did this during HW when they completely changed Bard, and came back when they made changes I found acceptable.

[Ruf]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and have every right to express your suggestions, but at the end of the day, SE is going to do what they what they want. The choice each person has to make is whether they will accept the change and continue paying, or decide the changes are not what they like and will walk away. I did this during HW when they completely changed Bard, and came back when they made changes I found acceptable.

I gave you a like because what you said is something i find acceptable, highlight "imo" is that you did walk away because of a bad change, but again I do not think that it is even comparable to the system that carried on for years with housing, leaving everyone in the dust, if we all did what you did for brd with housing, then there would be far more ppl unsubscribing, many variables but yes we will voice our disagreements, or at least I will.