Housing Suggestions

[Almagnus1]

Because you can’t punish people for things that weren’t against the rules when they did them. Anytime you hear the term grandfathered in, someone is getting something or having different rules applied to them than someone else.

And SE has changed the rules, and they must be brought into compliance with the newer rules because they'er still selfishly overconsuming resources in a resource deprived system.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

And SE has changed the rules, and they must be brought into compliance with the newer rules because they'er still selfishly overconsuming resources in a resource deprived system.

The picture I saw of one FC owning almost an entire ward sickened me as much as the next person, but they can't do this. Where I live the city passes new ordinances all the time. How you have to build your house, what kind of fencing you can have, etc. But if you built your house one way, or spent money on a certain type of fence, they can't make you take it down, you're grandfathered in. New homes, or homes getting new permits to make renovations have to follow the new rules.

Players spent time and gil buying houses, furnishing them, etc. I doubt SE could even legally do this, and if they did I honestly wouldn't be shocked if players got together and sued them. They'd have no grounds as to why they took things from paying customers who hadn't violated any rules.

[Penthea]

Players spent time and gil buying houses, furnishing them, etc. I doubt SE could even legally do this, and if they did I honestly wouldn't be shocked if players got together and sued them. They'd have no grounds as to why they took things from paying customers who hadn't violated any rules.

Actually we technically don't own anything in the game. We only own access to the account. SE can take it all away at any point.

It's more likely they're not taking houses away from people because it would make them look bad if they do it without giving them some sort of compensation. Such as a full refund of the houses as well as allowing all characters access the same private house so no character suddenly becomes homeless.

SE can change the rules any time they like, and they have. They do not need permission from players to make any changes to the housing system.

[Almagnus1]

The picture I saw of one FC owning almost an entire ward sickened me as much as the next person, but they can't do this. Where I live the city passes new ordinances all the time. How you have to build your house, what kind of fencing you can have, etc. But if you built your house one way, or spent money on a certain type of fence, they can't make you take it down, you're grandfathered in. New homes, or homes getting new permits to make renovations have to follow the new rules.

This is a game, not real life.

SE can perma ban you if they see fit (although tbh I would hope they wouldn't do so without a very good reason).

Games have rules, rules that are not equally enforced caused problems. Therefore, the rules should be equally enforced and all of the people grandfathered in should have the same amount of houses as those that weren't. The age of multiple personal and FC houses per account has ended, and none of those thieves should retain their ill-gotten gains.

[Zojha]

They'd have no grounds as to why they took things from paying customers who hadn't violated any rules.

They can simply go and decide that they did in fact violate the rules.

Reminder: House flippers violated no rules either. They were punished regardless, on grounds of:
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

They can go out at any time and say:"Having this many houses interferes with the game experience of other players." and give them a warning, temp or permaban if they wanted - on top of taking the houses away. They can decide the same for the FC that splintered to take an entire ward under the new rules. Heck, they can decide undercutting by 1 gil is disruptive and punish you for it. This is precisely what happened to house flippers. They technically broke no rules, but the GMs decided their behavior was disruptive and therefore ended up punishing them regardless.

That tired argument of:"They didn't violate any rules!" really needs to stop being used. House flippers are the precedent for people who aren't breaking any rules to get punished regardless via a rule term that's so broad that it encompasses literally every possible interaction between players, direct or indirect. It's entirely up to GM discretion and the best way to check if things are in compliance with the rules or not is to just report them and see what the GM has to say.

[Mahrze]

TIt's entirely up to GM discretion and the best way to check if things are in compliance with the rules or not is to just report them and see what the GM has to say.

And because of said discretion is where we're stuck in a limbo, but meh. Housing is just another thing they need to fix from the ground up.

[Almagnus1]

And because of said discretion is where we're stuck in a limbo, but meh. Housing is just another thing they need to fix from the ground up.

Or SE needs to grow some balls and make a few unhappy to satisfy the rest.

[StouterTaru]

Or SE needs to grow some balls and make a few unhappy to satisfy the rest.

And when the rest aren't satisfied from this action, do they make another group of paying customers unhappy to appease them? It's not good business sense to upset your content customers to appease the angry ones, as you'll just end up with a larger group of angry customers.

[Mahrze]

Or SE needs to grow some balls and make a few unhappy to satisfy the rest.

I really wonder at times how people can make these blanket statements and be completely blind to how the housing issue is well beyond SE playing house and punishing kids for being bad.

[Sothis]

Or SE needs to grow some balls and make a few unhappy to satisfy the rest.

I feel like "the rest" in this instance is really just this small vocal minority here on the forums; the reaction to the current housing situation almost everywhere else is just overwhelmingly positive. It smacks of "I want a large and I want less competition, so screw the other guys".