Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Vstarstruck]

Newbies had options but it wasn't convenient to get it done in a less than involved manner.

https://youtu.be/LDwFCoj-0js

Sorry, if you want to talk convenience, what is more convenient is giving people to chose how fast or slow they want to view the CS. I really question your ability to post on convenience when you shown some support for the glam changes since it is anything but. Temppest hit the nail on the head, if they felt the need to make a small change, they could made a warning prompt about using the PF for a few friends if they want to take their time.

This change was not nessery at all! people need to take more responsibility in how they comminucate and go about doing things. You really think people want to be given no say in the matter? I do not see you commenting on my post or others on this issue of not getting a choice in how we play. You are also forgetting there is a good number of people that are new that DO NOT CARE!!!! about watching the CS.

How can you sit here, talk about what is convenient or not when SE made a change to force something on you, over the old way. NO MATTER the spin you put on things, the current state is LESS convenient then before, why do you think people white knighting this change is the minority?

Because the 50-60 roulette has many other dungeons with much smaller Poetic gains and getting ARF in the roulette is not guaranteed. I used to farm Poetics by doing ARF over and over which is why I made the comparison.



If you can do it in 15 minutes that's 10 Poetics/minute which makes it better than MSQ roulette. A 20 minute run is as efficient as doing Castrum in the roulette, but worse than doing Prae in the roulette, so I would pick MSQ roulette over ARF if a 15 minute run isn't doable. My 25 minute run was synced and unsync is obviously faster.

i do not think you get tomes if you unsync, 25 mins just means people do not have a clue how to play, like ST BLMs, etc. or gear level check bypassing, or a combo of not knowing how to play and ilevel bypassing. 15-20, in that range, 15 and under would be an outlier, i doono how possible it is with all the loading, bt 15-20 min is the norm if people know what they are doing.

Also I think it should be noted that 50-59 is the fastest rate of exp and it does give tomes, so you can level 17-60 (whatever start level is) and use the tomes you gained 50-60 to buy 60 gear. There is no reason even a new person or new alt to touch the MSQ roulette for gains.

[Beckett]

At this point, I think the only compromise we're gonna get is if EVERYONE in the group votes to skip a scene, then it can be skipped.
What worries me the most about this, is... what if they decide to start imposing non skippable cutscenes on OTHER duties or story?

I think it's clear SE has learned from their mistakes with the 2.0 MSQ dungeons. None of the content since Heavensward has had large cutscenes in the middle of an instance. Each instance has, at most, a short intro cutscene and a short final boss cutscene, with story scenes taking place only after the duty is complete.

Cut-scene vote would be a good idea - but i don't see it happening because people troll with vote systems already every day <vote abandon/vote kick etc>

I could only see cutscene vote skipping working if they did it like Overwatch, where each player votes anonymously and the cutscene only gets skipped if every player votes to skip it.

[kallii]

I agree that the MSQ roulette has been killed by making the scenes unskippable. I know there are new players that want to watch the cs and I'm fine with that, but how about either making a single player instance for those that want to do it with the cs in tact to see them and then the multi player instance for the roulette with the cs basically disabled altogether. This way we don't even have to worry about the parts where you freeze up for a bit in order to skip the cs.

[Krotoan]

I agree that the MSQ roulette has been killed by making the scenes unskippable. I know there are new players that want to watch the cs and I'm fine with that, but how about either making a single player instance for those that want to do it with the cs in tact to see them and then the multi player instance for the roulette with the cs basically disabled altogether. This way we don't even have to worry about the parts where you freeze up for a bit in order to skip the cs.

Because a single player instance or "solo run" version would take a lot of development time and resources and the chance of SE spending those on a much older piece of the game is very low. It's not NOTHING, but they'd be much likelier to make a small change like votes on the run or dynamic switches for the unskippable part than re-working an entire dungeon for one player + NPCs.

I could only see cutscene vote skipping working if they did it like Overwatch, where each player votes anonymously and the cutscene only gets skipped if every player votes to skip it.

this is also an excellent solution, but I don't know how easy this would be to add on since we have no current system like this.

[DeaconMoore]

this is also an excellent solution, but I don't know how easy this would be to add on since we have no current system like this.

Final patch, expansion after next. Look forward to it!

[Vstarstruck]

I think it's clear SE has learned from their mistakes with the 2.0 MSQ dungeons. None of the content since Heavensward has had large cutscenes in the middle of an instance. Each instance has, at most, a short intro cutscene and a short final boss cutscene, with story scenes taking place only after the duty is complete.



I could only see cutscene vote skipping working if they did it like Overwatch, where each player votes anonymously and the cutscene only gets skipped if every player votes to skip it.

it would not work here, as soon as there is a force view cs and people know that others will hit that to troll or whatever , 2 things will happen, one people will expect the person to admit who did it so they can kick the person or give them a hard time, or simply leave the DF.

The best solution is to put the things way back they where before 4.2 and give a pop up prompt to those clearing it for the first time, if they want to go slow and view the cs, it is advised to get a group of friends and unsync it. Otherwise be happy people are actually queuing for it.

Because a single player instance or "solo run" version would take a lot of development time and resources and the chance of SE spending those on a much older piece of the game is very low.

Then they had no business making a change at all after all this time, as I said before, half bake solutions can lead to worse situations then leaving it alone, like this case. If they want to please a very tiny minority of the game, they better put more effort in doing so, not inconvenience the majority.

[Felis]

Remove unskipable cutsenes, put gates before every boss that only open if nobody watch a CS.
This way people who want can watch CS, while other can skip it and still wait fo those who watch CS.

[Tlamila]

I remember in Guild Wars every single person could skip the cutscene but it kept playing as long as even one person didn't skip it (and it showed how many persons clicked skip). But if everybody skipped it, it would stop for everybody. I think that would be a decent compromise too.
Though what Felis proposes is the best solution imho.

[Krotoan]

Remove unskipable cutsenes, put gates before every boss that only open if nobody watch a CS.
This way people who want can watch CS, while other can skip it and still wait fo those who watch CS.

This would end up outing who was not skipping, and then speedrunners may votekick.

[AlyssaWildheart]

I'm very disappointed with the decision they made, for multiple reasons. They honestly could have just gated the fights until everyone was done watching/skipping the scenes or just made it a solo instance.

As someone who has 16 characters (I know it's a ridiculous amount) 15 who have to do these two MSQ dungeons at some point, it makes me never want to bother with it. Each one takes 30-50 minutes (just estimating) and I have to do that 30 times if you count both?

I could even see new players leaving after being faced with a dungeon with 30 minutes of cutscenes, probably after waiting a long time just to get in because no one will want to do it.

Im hoping SE will change it back or do something to fix it, though I doubt they will.