Why the hate with endgame fights?

[KaivaC]

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Here's another thing that I really have to address - personally, I really haven't seen much toxicity, and less elitism. So I'm not exactly sure why it keeps getting brought up, particularly here in this thread. What even is elitism anymore? Is it some cliched term that just gets thrown around? Same with toxicity. Nowadays, what do those terms even mean now?

PS: I am aware of what they are supposed to mean, yes, but really...what exactly do they mean in today's community, because I've seen it in other gaming communities. I'd hate to be pointing fingers at a single company...but...you know...Overwatch, Hearthstone, and WoW are pretty brutal about this behavior. Mostly Overwatch, from what I've personally seen. *shudder* I almost never want to play Hanzo again.

[RiyahArp]

In some respects, O1S is actually a pretty good lead on from dungeons and rabanastre. The problem is, it's the right sort of encounter in totally the wrong place, it really should have been the very first Primal of the expansion, with a more complex encounter taking it's place as the first Savage step.

If you think people would enjoy "ice floor, the boss," you'd be in for a big disappointment. I can't think of another duty people would abandon more in roulette.

[KaivaC]

If you think people would enjoy "ice floor, the boss," you'd be in for a big disappointment. I can't think of another duty people would abandon more in roulette.

Aurum Vale...Steps of Faith...Pharos Sirius...Royal Manageries (though, admittedly, not nearly as bad)...sometimes Thornmarch...Urth's Font...Emanation...

[AriaFairchild]

Why don't you come over to the PvP forum to see some people who have the gall to ask for PvP shinies to be available through achievement points/Gold Saucer/etc? They don't want to work for it, but still want the rewards.

[Fhaerron]

I would love to see all the hate if SE ever makes every savage,ex as hard as ultimate.

Would make for a nice Sunday afternoon with popcorn.

[alimdia]

Here's another thing that I really have to address - personally, I really haven't seen much toxicity, and less elitism. So I'm not exactly sure why it keeps getting brought up, particularly here in this thread. What even is elitism anymore? Is it some cliched term that just gets thrown around? Same with toxicity. Nowadays, what do those terms even mean now?

PS: I am aware of what they are supposed to mean, yes, but really...what exactly do they mean in today's community, because I've seen it in other gaming communities. I'd hate to be pointing fingers at a single company...but...you know...Overwatch, Hearthstone, and WoW are pretty brutal about this behavior. Mostly Overwatch, from what I've personally seen. *shudder* I almost never want to play Hanzo again.

Elitism isn't really a big problem as people are painting it here, but it does exist, give the fflogs discord a visit.

[KaivaC]

Elitism isn't really a big problem as people are painting it here, but it does exist, give the fflogs discord a visit.

Oh, I'm quite aware of it...I just think that elitism has been brought up more in just the 24 hours this thread was up, than there has been in-game since the start of 2018.

[Sebazy]

If you think people would enjoy "ice floor, the boss," you'd be in for a big disappointment. I can't think of another duty people would abandon more in roulette.

I probably should have been clearer as I meant an EX tier primal aka not in the roulette.

It could be watered down very easily for normal mode by just adding a barrier to the edge tho. Even if in it's current form, it's a very forgiving fight and it was common place to see first clears within the first week with 20+ deaths. It really isn't a difficult encounter but it does require people to have a solid grasp of their core rotations and abilities.

[DaulBan]

Oh, I'm quite aware of it...I just think that elitism has been brought up more in just the 24 hours this thread was up, than there has been in-game since the start of 2018.

Any discussion where the topic is about "Casual Content or Approach" vs "Midcore or Hardcore Content or Approach" inevitably boils down to people being jerks about one thing or another. Parser discussions, discussions about content locked behind completion, so on and so forth. This forum is sort of rare for most FFXIV communities for its almost aggressively casual portion of the fanbase which actively condemns parsing and gated content. On most discords and the subreddit they tend to get dogpiled by people who either laugh at them or shrug them off. Here is one of the few places where people actively engage with them, for whatever reason.

RE: OP specifically though, I've only raided since Midas and only casually check this forum (lol) so I can't really speak to this community's opinions on content. For most the people I meet the reasons why they complain about content is that they personally have difficulty clearing content with pugs, not with established groups. For most groups even casually interested in raiding they don't seem to complain that much about difficulty in general, much less call for nerfs for content that's as... Annoying? Irrelevant? As something like ShinEx. So personal experience doesn't line up with what you've seen yourself but that's just my social bubble and of course not representative of what you've seen and heard yourself.

[Gumbercules]

I don't hate the available end game, but i would like more mid core content at different sizes ie 4 man and 24 man. Also every once in a while I do feel "grindy" but kinda hoping that is what eureka is. Don't get me wrong im sure its going to be very diadem-ish, but imo diadems issue was more with "why am i even here" that just mechanically (personally thought Diadem 2.0 was markedly better but still had the "wtf am i here" issue). So diadem/potd mash-up thing sounds neat.