Why?

[Vidu]

my issue with it is that it doesnt encourage playing with a party, it more or less requires it.

Surprise! Neither A/S-rank-hunts nore big boss fates are supposed to be solo content - you cant solo those FATEs and except for the outdated ARR A-ranks you can solo those hunts either. They are group-content and you're already doing them as group even if you dont join a party. So dont fool and hurt yourself on pretending those are in any way content you can and should do by yourself, because you cant because the content isnt meant to be that way.
All group content requires a party. This is group-content (even if its a little different than a dungeon or raid) - why should it be different? And why is it such a problem to type a quick "please inv!" into the chat, join a party, get your credit and leave again?

[LeeraSorlan]

You must've been a world of fun when you discovered Sastasha.
This is an MMO, and this is open world content. The end-game of open world content. If there're 100 people there, fight gets shorter, you have less time to built up your credit. Makes sense you'd party up with other people between the shorter time and the more people to compete against. There's also absolutely zero reason to not party when you stop to think about it because you're keeping yourself out of utility and heals.

Allow me to direct you to unsynced content. Every dungeon in this game can be soloed. For a new player? unrealistic, but soloed regardless. why give instances the treatment and not the overworld? fates can already be soloed, normal ones.

[BillyKaplan]

unrealistic, but soloed regardless. why give instances the treatment and not the overworld?

1. You're totally ignoring it but the game forces you to play in groups for the vast majority of it. Tons of content can be ran unsycned and you'd still need a party for it. So no, unsync isn't the be all end all solution to group content, especially since you can't even unsync most of it when it's relevant.
2. Because you're not influencing anyone's gaming experience when you run content solo'd. You do when you're running around in the overworld. That's the difference.

fates can already be soloed, normal ones.

You'll notice those are the ones that give you dirt for awards, too. And funny you're hanging onto FATEs because FATEs either sync you down, or still require an army to clear even at 70 (hi Odin)

[LeeraSorlan]

1. You're totally ignoring it but the game forces you to play in groups for the vast majority of it. Tons of content can be ran unsycned and you'd still need a party for it. So no, unsync isn't the be all end all solution to group content, especially since you can't even unsync most of it when it's relevant.
2. Because you're not influencing anyone's gaming experience when you run content solo'd. You do when you're running around in the overworld. That's the difference.



You'll notice those are the ones that give you dirt for awards, too. And funny you're hanging onto FATEs because FATEs either sync you down, or still require an army to clear even at 70 (hi Odin)

i mean uh.. the game also forces you to play solo for most of the MSQs instances as well. theres not even the OPTION to play with a party in those.

And im mentioning fates yes because ixion is a fate, so a fate is the topic of discussion. but you can solo A and S arr ranks, and A ranks in HW..im sure SOME S ranks can be soloed in HW as well depending on class





Its such a silly thing to argue about anyway, both sides of the arguement have issues, its easy enough to join a party...but its also very little reason why they cant adjust how rewards are given, based on player count. the only difference is the latter option keepss the former option in tact, and its nothing but a nice QoL adjustment and the former option excludes the minority who want to not join parties

[Squintina]

It would indeed just be a QOL change. Because of how easily it can be circumvented, it wouldn't be particularly important, but that can be said about many QOL things.

I am surprised though that no one has mentioned the one time the whole partying thing really blows though. People who are suffering long DPS (or pvp) queues might be going out and doing fates/hunts while waiting and therefore cannot join/change parties unless they want to lose their spot in the queue.

Still would just be a QOL change, as most such players accept that their credit will be minimized and just want to do something while they wait, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind if it was changed to let them have a better shot.

[BillyKaplan]

I am surprised though that no one has mentioned the one time the whole partying thing really blows though. People who are suffering long DPS (or pvp) queues might be going out and doing fates/hunts while waiting and therefore cannot join/change parties unless they want to lose their spot in the queue.

If you can't get adequate credit on an on-level FATE solo with your bird out, you need to take a good long hard look at your gear and rotation. The only FATEs where you really can't solo them on your own are the boss FATEs and even then we're talking most likely the achievement ones that weren't meant to be cleared by solo players in the first place.

[LeeraSorlan]

If you can't get adequate credit on an on-level FATE solo with your bird out, you need to take a good long hard look at your gear and rotation. The only FATEs where you really can't solo them on your own are the boss FATEs and even then we're talking most likely the achievement ones that weren't meant to be cleared by solo players in the first place.

dont be a selective reader, he also mentioned hunts.

He makes valid points, i was arguing over the why nots of the issue and didnt even think of the times you are on a forever DPS que when that S rank pops.

[Lilseph]

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This example and the previous answer.

Yes, you can unsync dungeons, but you don't receive neither gil, exp and mob drops. A person trying to solo it (To progress, at the required level/ilvl) is punishing themselves because things would die awfully slow and there won't be any reward attached to their kills until they complete their dungeon. Loot after booses? If they get there.

Also, if you had the option of not needing a party of overworld content, then why would the party system exist anyway? People would solo the sh** out of it. You have solo content in form of instances within certain quests, but that's about it. Then you have your hunting log, some FATEs you can solo, but overall it's more beneficial for you and the party if they go and do it together. I see no reason to not do it an an MMO. I understand I won't change your mind regarding this subject, but you're thinking that people should have the option to solo group content, when they are present. I mean, you can. You want full credit, go ahead and solo it. ALONE. No one else. Then you'll get full credit. If you can't, it's because either people also found it, teamed up and burned it or the challenge goes above your level of gear/profiency with your job.

[BillyKaplan]

dont be a selective reader, he also mentioned hunts.

Which I've gotten full credit on solo on numerous occasions unless there were billions of people so ya know. Isn't an issue. That said.

He makes valid points, i was arguing over the why nots of the issue and didnt even think of the times you are on a forever DPS que when that S rank pops.

Hunts are their own problematic system and require you to make that choice regardless of what you're queued as. It would've been wonderful if you could solo this game but it's an MMO where other players can play the game and get that S rank even if you drop queue regardless.

[EdgeFayth]

It is possible to get gold on solo Ixion (just hope the map is not full of players, cause it is super hard on high population servers during peak time), you just need to know how to generate aggro, because as said before, the reward on FATEs and hunts are aggro based.
Here is my receipe for a 99% MTing on everything in my server as a war (the 1% is when another war using more or less the same rotation got a crit on a BB and I didnt...):

Preparation: pull a small mob around in order to fill your Beast gauge and apply your Storm's Eye bonus.

Pulling: Onslaught (if necessary), Heavy Swing (Berserk), Skull Sunder (Unchained, Infusion of Strenght), Butcher's Block (Thrill of Battle), Heavy Swing (Equilibrium, Upheaval), Skull Sunder , Butcher's Block, Heavy Swing, Skull Sunder , Butcher's Block.
Renew your Storm's Eye bonus after this (and before each coming berserk window). Do not care about placing the slashing debuff on the target (by using Maim) at the beginning: with lots of people around, it is sure the debuff will be here before your first Butcher's Block hits.

By doing this, you are the king of aggro. Equilibrium under Berserk and Unchained generates lots of aggro (people tends to forget this), and Upheaval under Thrill of Battle does the same. Remember to get a bit of gear and to summon your chocobo in order to heal you (with this rotation, you are sure to MT the target, so you are going to be hit pretty hard).

Have fun.