Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Vstarstruck]

What I find amusing, not from just this thread but also from the many others about the topic, is you would be led to believe people are being kicked from parties all the time due to awful play, and that advice is frequently being given for others to improve. I rarely ever see this occur in game, not to mention the number of truly bad players is minimal.

You just admited you are unable to notice in further posts, so you cant say that, as pointed by:

I did expert as whm, was 400 below first dps and 200 higher than second. I was tank today, samurai did 800 lower than me. This is 2 out of 2 experts btw. So not it's not ''minimal''

as well. You not using a dps meter or not has nothing to do with the point being presented.

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

You are not understanding, some people have issues with a run taking 30 min + when it can be done in 12-18. You do not need DPS meter to know if a run is going slow and as shown by the next post you are unable to notice it. Just because you can't notice it without a meter does not mean others can. There is cast bars, buff indicators, debuffs on the monsters, the speed it takes something to die. An experienced player can tell if the pace is slow on the first pull. Then while on the first pull or even the second pull can notice who is at fault by looking at what I said above.

Honestly? I don't really care. I log in and complete EX roulette once a day and raid once a week. I barely even pay attention to what others are doing in DF parties. I heal and dps.... I focus on what I do, then move on.

If you do not care and admit to not even noticing why are you here in the first place? it is not helping the discussion which is basically how to handle players that under perform by a huge margin. You are not helping the discussion and derailing it for some reason.

I agree with the vast majority of what you've said. My only issue is when people start applying unreasonable expectations to lower end casual content. Which I've seen many posts regarding

A built in savage/ultimate only parser would be reasonable.

You have no idea what people are taking about. They are not being nitpicky about not being on par with the top 1% of players. What we are talking about is the majority of the random DF runners, no matter the content in question do not know basic rotations, and that is something you admitted in your own posts you are unable to notice. So if you are unable to notice that, you are unable to notice what is being talked about here. Maybe it will help if you stop running off assumptions. Same thing pointed out in this post:

I always go by that, because that's a really great line to follow. You either do it or you don't pretty much.

Nobody is expecting 1337 dps in expert roulettes, besides it's really hard to do low dps there as there is shitton of trash, clicking 1-2 aoe buttons isn't hard at all. You kinda have to try really hard not to click those buttons or not pay attention or even bother looking at the screen. You see the irony is many HATES doing expert, because it feels like a chore, yet they are willingly to put almost no effort and make the run even slower, which kinda confuses me in the first place. To make myself clear here, I don't care if anyone is doing --okay-- dps in experts, what should never happen is a healer to out damage an actually dps, same with tanks.

How much we expect in high level content is not what this thread is about. The thread is about people not knowing the basics, tell you "You do not pay for my sub" when you try to tell them correct rotations, and of course the 80% idle healer meme.