This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Canadane]

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

To people who are likely used to underperforming groups including themselves, finding a decent tank does likely make a run smoother than what they're used to.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

And yet I see far more toxicity from the casual side than parse advocates. Calling out someone for essentially getting carried isn't abuse.

"Uh, what's going on, DRG? Your damage is way lower than it ought to be."
"Are you a dumbass? Just uninstall the game if you're gonna play like shit."

Both statements reference a parse yet only one could be reasonably labeled toxic. In the event parsers were ever implemented, the latter statement could and should be reported. Assuming the GMs do their job, said player would get a warning. So...

Not gonna lie... I laughed way harder than I probably should have at this. It sounds so mean but at the same time it would get people to open their eyes. Thing is, I believe if someone isn't doing that great, there's a high chance they're still learning the fight.

I firmly believe many people don't even realize how poor their performance is because this game does absolutely nothing to relay that information to the player. You have to rely on third parties for rotation guides and advice. On more than a few occasions I've talked to people after a run that I at least somewhat know and they've been shocked that what they were doing wasn't the proper rotation.

[Slirith]

SE just needs to break parsers like Blizzard did with certain addons that made fights super super easy.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

SE just needs to break parsers like Blizzard did with certain addons that made fights super super easy.

Blizzard isn't break parsers. They were forced to embrace them and simply developed fights around the knowledge people were using a third party program. SE delete battle logs tomorrow and people would find a way to calculate all the data. It's like ADblock. Facebook bragged how they developed the latest technology to finally beat Adblock... and it was rendered trash in less than two days.

[Kakiko]

I firmly believe many people don't even realize how poor their performance is because this game does absolutely nothing to relay that information to the player. You have to rely on third parties for rotation guides and advice. On more than a few occasions I've talked to people after a run that I at least somewhat know and they've been shocked that what they were doing wasn't the proper rotation.

This. I'm new to MMOs, and thus new to FF. I've only been playing since July and there was nothing anywhere about rotation. Sure, I can look at the descriptions for my BLM stuff but there's nothing suggesting a proper rotation. I've had to scrounge the internet and find one that I think is the right one? There are so many conflicting opinions on which one is the correct one, too, that makes it extremely difficult some days. I want to do my best, to make content go smoothly for everyone, but man it's hard for newbies when you have to spend lots of time researching third party sources (Reddit, forums, Youtube, etc) and I can see why some people just... don't. It eats up your time.

As for parsers. I don't care. I parse to keep an eye on my numbers and see that Im not lagging behind, say, the healer. If I'm doing less damage than a melee DPS, as long as it's not a HUGE drop (like they're doing 5k and I'm doing 1k), and we're both similarly geared, then I'm not too worried. What does worry me, is trying my best and ending up with someone's FFlogs being posted here or on Reddit complaining about how this fight or that fight was going slowly because the DPS (even if they don't call me out by name) was lagging. Of course, with one side of the story, you'll never know if that DPS was doing what they thought was best or was just being a troll and more often than not, people responding to such stories tend to side with the poster, unless it's super obvious the poster is in the wrong themselves. Public shaming sucks when you're honestly trying to do your best. Obviously, if you're blatantly trolling and casting nothing but Bliz 3, then shame away. But I think many people honestly believe they're doing the best (or maybe I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt?).

On the topic of FFlogs though, I have it and I'm having difficulty uploading my stuff. Every thing I do upload shows up as "This report contains no fights yet." I can't seem to find a solution to it (I've Googled..I have).

[jameseoakes]

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

[PArcher]

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

I'll be completely honest here; most people who do not want data on them almost always have something to hide. Here, its usually really poor play because they don't want to put the effort in to learning how to play their job properly and want to get carried (includes tanks who don't swap into DPS stance or never use cooldowns and 0 DPS healers). In the endgame, you are expected to know your job and actually try to do well, FFLogs is one easy tool to use to check that.

Good farm groups will look someone up on FFLogs as they join parties to see what kind of player they're getting; if they see only grey logs (or no logs at all) they know they got someone hoping for a carry, which isn't something these groups want (and if its someone who hasn't cleared...well, they're really hoping for a carry in a farm party and deserve the kick and blacklist they're getting).

[Kaethra]

I will say this.. SE is weird. So... enrage timers became a thing because of parsing in EQ and damage meter addons in WoW. Since players found optimal rotations and means of DPS, they were put in to challenge said players. SE uses enrage timers in FFXIV but doesn't want us to link them or boot people from groups.

So my question is what does SE expect us to do when 3 DPS in a 8 man are doing less damage than the tanks and the group is hitting the enrage timer? No one is dying, and the tanks and healers are doing quite well, and maybe 1 DPS is doing great. But those 5 need the other 3 to perform to complete the encounter, but can't because of the little damage output.

[Baalfrog]

Things.

It's because of this weird thing they have, that only the group matters and such, which is okay I suppose, but the sum is not larger than its parts. Like in the case of the OP and how 3 of 4 dpses did less than tanks, from SEs standpoint, the group did the thing, they beat the challenge they set for the encounter and thats all that matters to them. Someone on the know about logs and such however can easily determine that the group limped over finishline and basically got carried by the higher performing non-dps roles. In other words, they got carried.

And this is an interesting problem, because on SE's end everything is fine, people are doing the content. But this will create a split in the community about people wanting to get better and clear clean and faster and have higher number and so on, and then the other group thinks that doing barely enough is good enough because it clears what the developers had in mind.

[Tridus]

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

If you create an account there, you can claim your character and then mark yourself as hidden. At that point your character won't show up.

And yes, a third party tool shouldn't be required in end game. That's on SE for making enrages and faster killing a primary part of end game and not providing any reasonable first party method to handle those things. It's not the fault of someone who comes in and fills in the gaps.