This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[HoodRat]

3,5k-4k is way more than enough for o2s

That's around what the tanks should be doing. I know I haven't played in a couple weeks, but I'm pretty sure mch is still a dps.

[spagthetapdancer]

That's around what the tanks should be doing. I know I haven't played in a couple weeks, but I'm pretty sure mch is still a dps.

that's...almost twice as much damage as most tanks I see do in normal. I know "that's normal mode" but I don't raid savage so just remarking at how that kind of damage is usually what the only dps that does more than myscrub booty(I don't do particularly well, just happen to usually be the SAM that breaks into the 3400-3800 range in said group and usually top or passed up by someone that does significantly better due to their experience and actually practicing) does. I have to wonder just how if that's "normal for savage" why I don't run into very many tanks of that caliber pugging around. you'd imagine they'd bleed into the general population, or queue a few runs to help a FC mate gear out a side job, or even just be gearing up their tank and have all this other experience from dps/grasp the skills really quickly after practicing on the dummy.

Anecdotes being anecdotes and all that jazz, but numbers that high from tanks are usually a rarity. I wonder if they're a secluded sort that doesn't mix with the unwashed masses or if I'm unlucky/on the wrong data center.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced. At the Savage level, tanks should be breaking at least 2,500 at the bare minimum. Even that's on the lower side. The fact a MCH was anywhere near a WAR even with a death isn't a good sign. The WAR only pulled 81%, which isn't even at the top tier level yet out-dpsed everyone except the NIN. Unless this were advertised as a learning group, I find it... suspect. Honestly, my interpretation of his response was more "touch shit" on the PLD, SCH and AST who were essentially carrying the run. Rude? Maybe, but hardly something to get uppity over parsers about. Perhaps the OP should practice more herself because...

3,5k-4k is way more than enough for o2s, we are gonna end as World of Warcraft with stupidly high requirements for easy content.

"More than enough" isn't an excuse. If you're learning, that is one thing, but to handwave who is otherwise exceptionally low DPS doesn't help your argument. If everyone held this standard, you wouldn't be clearing. The only reason you did it because both tanks and healers compensated for the lack of DPS. You essentially put much higher demand on them. Was the WAR a bit of a jerk? Sure. But that has little to do with parsing. He could easily say what he said without ever referencing a parse. Instead of getting defensive, shrug it off, look at your own performance and ask what you could have done better.

[spagthetapdancer]

No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced. At the Savage level, tanks should be breaking at least 2,500 at the bare minimum. Even that's on the lower side. The fact a MCH was anywhere near a WAR even with a death isn't a good sign. The WAR only pulled 81%, which isn't even at the top tier level yet out-dpsed everyone except the NIN. Unless this were advertised as a learning group, I find it... suspect. Honestly, my interpretation of his response was more "touch shit" on the PLD, SCH and AST who were essentially carrying the run. Rude? Maybe, but hardly something to get uppity over parsers about. Perhaps the OP should practice more herself because...

okay. that's proportions I can actually grasp then. I've only really seen one PLD pull over 4k, ever(in fact, I thought I'd effectively witnessed a unicorn...). but if 2500 is the actual floor for savage, then the occasional 3.2k's I've seen from some tanks make a touch more sense.

[akaneakki]

No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced.

It's sad the the tank and the healer dps wasnt appreciated by the OP. You can clearly tell if none of they did try as good as they did, it be even slower to kill, hell it might been wipes, because you can clearly tell those healers know what they are doing. Most healers who don't even dps are bad at healing in the first place. Edit: Op was the MCH so it was a 8 min fight, they died around 3-4 min mark, so they should never been this low at all. But I wont judge, I'm a sad level 30 mch, but again that should never happen, even with a death. People have so low standars these days, just imagine they go in a group with low dps tanks, no healer dps and they go around with that dps in every group.