Revisiting the physick question

[Remedi]

Hmm the MP pool hasn't really changed that much for SMN though. Yes Ruin III is no longer an MP dump but even back then effective SMNs could DPS and rez without being picked punished too much because they had Aetherflow and Energy Drain as additional MP recovery. These days even Lucid Dreaming isn't always necessary, same goes with SCH, they both can have very effective MP management in the right hands.

SCH had recent unintended effects from summon spells?

The change to summon spells made dissipation much stronger than it was.
The problem is that while they don't have much spells in common anymore, some of those spells still bog them down from a design decision that is no longer supported as such It would be better to remove it altogether

[Rongway]

Frankly they should separate SMN and SCH to fix some problems and let their balance effort not be a real nightmare

There's no point in doing that anymore. SB pretty much separated the jobs by giving both jobs an upgrade to their class skills into being job skills.

They should separate them anyway. Make ACN upgrade specifically to SMN, and make SCH require ACN30 to unlock but be its own job that starts at Lv30, even if for now all they do is copy the current ACN-SCH actions and traits over to the new job. Besides safeguarding against future balance side-effects, it would be good for basic role competency.

[Kurando]

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Dissipation is more useless in SB than it was in HW and finds really niche usage at all, and that's not because it's "much stronger than it was" but it has more cons than pros.
Not sure how the shared actions bog down either of the SMN or SCH in all honesty. Lore wise they both have the same beginnings and won't change, even if the jobs seperate they will still share certain actions. Although this type of system won't ever be repeated by SE, they have finally balanced them out now and no point in trying to fix something that isn't broken.

[Remedi]

Because now summoning the fearie doesn't take up too much time or mp dissipation is much more useful, in fact I've seen it beign used on ultimate, let' say now it's an help when you need that extra healing and shield power and/or extra stacks.
You are free to disagree with this, but frankly this discussion is born because of the reason I said and since SE had no intention of support that idea anymore they should simply remove it altogether
Though I do realize they probably won't do it because there might be problems data wise.
True they can fix it with tons of upgraded spells, but the problem is at the root and should be solved there

[Draxxion]

For SMN it seems odd to still have Physick when it is so weak. I even forget it is on my bars most of the time, keep forgetting to remove it. I am all for each ability a job has being useful depending on the situation, but SMN really doesn't need a heal on top of all the dps. For right now I think I will just remove it from my bars and only look at when I need the nostalgia of when I was an Arcanist.

[silverlunarfox]

Because now summoning the fearie doesn't take up too much time or mp dissipation is much more useful, in fact I've seen it beign used on ultimate, let' say now it's an help when you need that extra healing and shield power and/or extra stacks.

but it remains that dissapation is still a niche ability. as a scholar I rarely need to use it.

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The classes don't need to be split anymore, they did a good job mostly separating the two while keeping a few common acn abilities. As for physick, it should be removed and replaced with something both classes would find useful. I'm not sure what that could be, but you could have some fun making a new arcanist ability either class could use.

[Claviusnex]

For SMN it seems odd to still have Physick when it is so weak. I even forget it is on my bars most of the time, keep forgetting to remove it. I am all for each ability a job has being useful depending on the situation, but SMN really doesn't need a heal on top of all the dps. For right now I think I will just remove it from my bars and only look at when I need the nostalgia of when I was an Arcanist.

The only time I find it coming in handy is running synched low level content where it has enough juice to be a decent heal. After 30 I'd like to see it turn into Sustain for Summoners.

[Remedi]

but it remains that dissapation is still a niche ability. as a scholar I rarely need to use it.

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The classes don't need to be split anymore, they did a good job mostly separating the two while keeping a few common acn abilities. As for physick, it should be removed and replaced with something both classes would find useful. I'm not sure what that could be, but you could have some fun making a new arcanist ability either class could use.

I Haven't said that is a must use ability I did said it was idd niche, however now it doesn't really screws you over and is actually usable.

That said I can't really consider them having done a good job at separating the job when we are having this discussion because SMN has a leftover spell that was ONLY added to it because SCH had to have acces to a cure (and a raise).
If you think that they should cover up this dead concept with upgrading trait then by all means, still I believe that since the system is no more they should just remove it and not keep it as a corpse.
UNLESS that is they want to try it again eventually in the future