When will we get the PVP system for PVE ?

[dinnertime]

Personally, I think the game won't get easier just because you're pressing one button a few times instead of a few buttons in an order.
Plus, there's no reason to press combo 2 or 3 when you haven't pressed combo 1 or 2. It's just there to be a nuisance, and an illusion to show that what you're doing seems "difficult".

But if SE decides to compress each combo into one button, it should be optional so everybody will be happy.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Ok, I can actually understand and get behind that line of thinking.

All the more reason if such a thing were to be implemented, it would need to be optional.

Optional doesn't really work though. Say they add an additional five abilities. What incentive do the devs have to make room for those who don't want their main combos consolidated? I'll basically be forced into it or have to start using QERTFZXC and etc for ability slots, which I'd prefer not to. As the saying goes, if it ain't broke...

Edit:
For argument's sake, I've been trying to think of how they might alter Monk's abilities if they ever did implement the PvP system. All that comes to mind is consolidating both rotations into a single button each but having the abilities shift based on your form. So using Dragon Kick would trigger both Twin Snake and True Strike to show up, and either of those would lead into Snap Punch or Demolish. Basically, you wouldn't have to use the combo (i.e. 1-1-1) for the other abilities to switch over.

[Enla]

Optional doesn't really work though. Say they add an additional five abilities. What incentive do the devs have to make room for those who don't want their main combos consolidated? I'll basically be forced into it or have to start using QERTFZXC and etc for ability slots, which I'd prefer not to. As the saying goes, if it ain't broke...

And frankly combo-oriented games tend to attract very specific audiences whilst repelling others. I'm not sure SE would want to whole sale embrace this system when so many people are fine with how it is now.

I also frankly don't think the PVP system is any more fluid or balanced than what we currently have, nor do I trust SE to make the proper adjustments in implementing it in PVE content after the debacle that was their ability trimming during SB's launch. The way they pruned SCH with it being one of the few classes that had abilities GIVEN BACK and the current state pre-70 Machinist is in don't give me any faith that they know how to handle large sweeping changes with all their classes.

[Shurrikhan]

Optional doesn't really work though. Say they add an additional five abilities. What incentive do the devs have to make room for those who don't want their main combos consolidated? I'll basically be forced into it or have to start using QERTFZXC and etc for ability slots, which I'd prefer not to. As the saying goes, if it ain't broke...

Alternatively though, why make 10 buttons what is functionally 3? If adding on additional abilities to their game will remove your ability to play the game comfortably, despite that there are actually relatively few skill choices at any given time, then something is already broken, or at least strained.

And frankly combo-oriented games tend to attract very specific audiences whilst repelling others. I'm not sure SE would want to whole sale embrace this system when so many people are fine with how it is now.

I also frankly don't think the PVP system is any more fluid or balanced than what we currently have, nor do I trust SE to make the proper adjustments in implementing it in PVE content after the debacle that was their ability trimming during SB's launch. The way they pruned SCH with it being one of the few classes that had abilities GIVEN BACK and the current state pre-70 Machinist is in don't give me any faith that they know how to handle large sweeping changes with all their classes.

Ability pruning =/= button pruning. The first is done to reduce player power or options available, usually with the intent of reducing the gap between skill and unskilled players, or as a last resort to combat button bloat. Button pruning literally just reduced button bloat, not ability count. The hotkeys saved through button pruning allow developers not to prune away abilities, and make it a hell of a lot more obvious when they do.

[Enla]

Ability pruning =/= button pruning. The first is done to reduce player power or options available, usually with the intent of reducing the gap between skill and unskilled players, or as a last resort to combat button bloat. Button pruning literally just reduced button bloat, not ability count. The hotkeys saved through button pruning allow developers not to prune away abilities, and make it a hell of a lot more obvious when they do.

All true, my point however was that SE doesn't know what they're doing with half of their classes when they try to make changes to the existing system which I will stand by. The button removal was just one example, but there's a reason I also included how unbalanced MCH is pre-70 in my post. This is a development team who sees an interesting idea and doesn't fully think out the consequences of implementing it until it's too late and they have to add remedial patches on later to fix things.

[Zarabeth]

No thanks. It's very easy now, I have nerve damage in my elbows and I can manage it. Please do not implement this. The reason I left WoW was because I could tank anything using only three butons. Booooooooooooooooooooooring.

[Brill_]

People have this idea that doing 1 2 3 on their keyboard makes them skilled and adds challenge to the gameplay. So when they see an idea to have only to tap 3 times one button instead of 3, for some reason its akin to dumbing the game down.

Sort of. With 1-2-3 there is the possibility of hitting the wrong key. With 1-1-1, that risk is completely eliminated. Kind of like playing the piano. Which requires more skill? Using all the keys to play a song or pressing one key repeatedly to play a song?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Alternatively though, why make 10 buttons what is functionally 3? If adding on additional abilities to their game will remove your ability to play the game comfortably, despite that there are actually relatively few skill choices at any given time, then something is already broken, or at least strained.

The solution is to remove or revamp other abilities not to break what already works. The combo system isn't broken, which is why people would prefer they not mess around with it. Explore how to adapt more abilities like WAR does with its stances or just don't add five new ones every expansion and try something different. What I don't want is DRG's rotation to essentially become 1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2. That just feels incredibly boring to me.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Speaking for MCHs, nothing has made our job less interesting and more predictable than tying our non-linear shot combo to a linear chain.

Many of us veteran PvPers really dislike the system and wouldn't want to see it spill over to PvE. At the worst, if we have to suffer it, make it optional.

[Ultimatecalibur]

My example is based on what OP asked for.

I'd like to point out that the counterexamples are how the monk should be working in PvP (not how it ended up implemented).

Consider how the Paladin combos work in PvP.

Combo 1 is Fast Blade -> Riot Blade -> Royal Authority
Combo 2 is Fast Blade -> Savage blade -> Rage of Halone

Pushing either of the 2 combos step 1 (Fast Blade) advances the combos to step 2 (Riot Blade and Savage Blade). Pressing Combo 1 (Riot Blade) at this causes Combo 2 to reset to Fast Blade and Combo 2 to advance to Royal Authority while Pressing Combo 2 (Savage Blade) causes Combo 1 to revert to Fast Blade while Combo 2 advances to Rage of Halone.

This means that pushing 1 1 1 and 2 1 1 both lead to Royal Authority while 1 2 2 and 2 2 2 lead to Rage of Halone.

The combos are not really independent of each other and the only reason Monk can't intermix combos like normal is due to them removing the Form system and replacing them with a 1 2 3 and a 4 5 6 combo.