Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

First off ... I never said "I" want anything. We're "butt hurt" because you want everything? Your exact wording in case you forgot.
Second: I know my limitations in the game, I know I will never obtain the best gear. I am asking for a way for those (Not me) that do want the best gear, but can't dedicate the time to raiding to be able to obtain it another way.

You in the general sense. Either way, I already addressed this point. Someone's lack of available time does not entitle them to all the same perks as someone who can set aside time to clear the hardest fights. I'll, again, reiterate, making the relic equivalent to Savage weapons invalidates the latter. With two weeks before Savage's releases, all the hardcore raiders will have their relics done since they won't have much else to do anyway. Therefore, the actual Savage weapons become little more than alt job upgrades just because someone who plays nothing but easy content wants everything. This doesn't even cover tomestone weapons would be absolutely worthless.

Simply put, if you don't have the time or desire to raid, ilvl 340 is your highest level. Nothing outside Savage comes remotely close to necessitating that high an ilvl anyway.

[Nyxn607]

Simply put, if you don't have the time or desire to raid, ilvl 340 is your highest level. Nothing outside Savage comes remotely close to necessitating that high an ilvl anyway.

I agree with this point. However what is wrong with allowing others to acquire similar gear at the same ilvl? Not the same exact gear mind you, but similar (different stats/looks come to mind) It won't affect how anyone plays the game. Raiders will still raid, casual's will still be casual. I should also mention that I was a hard core raider at one point in my gaming career. So I get that raiders want to feel accomplished ... I really do. I don't mind raiders getting exclusive looks or gear, but wanting the best ilvl gear kept to a small portion of the community is rather selfish. But then again we do live in a "its all about me society."

[HyoMinPark]

So I get that raiders want to feel accomplished ... I really do. I don't mind raiders getting exclusive looks or gear, but wanting the best ilvl gear kept to a small portion of the community is rather selfish. But then again we do live in a "its all about me society."

I want to point out the irony of saying this, but in the same breath saying that people who don’t raid are entitled to the best gear because “I want it”.

If people want the best gear in the game, then they should do the content that gives them the best gear in the game. If they can’t because of life, then, I’m sorry but that’s just the way it is. Doesn’t mean they are entitled to receive the best gear.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I agree with this point. However what is wrong with allowing others to acquire similar gear at the same ilvl? Not the same exact gear mind you, but similar (different stats/looks come to mind) It won't affect how anyone plays the game. Raiders will still raid, casual's will still be casual. I should also mention that I was a hard core raider at one point in my gaming career. So I get that raiders want to feel accomplished ... I really do. I don't mind raiders getting exclusive looks or gear, but wanting the best ilvl gear kept to a small portion of the community is rather selfish. But then again we do live in a "its all about me society."

Read my previous posts. I really cannot make this any clearer. Relics being the equivalent ilvl of Savage weapons invalidates all other forms of progression. Had relics released with Stormblood's launch, everyone would have access to the best weapon before any other gear piece. In fact, you cannot even upgrade tomestone in even numbered patches without clearing floors two and three. And like I already said above, the creation tomestone weapons are completely worthless.

Finally, I will defer to Hyomin's post. You're accusing raiders of being selfish yet think it isn't selfish to essentially say "I don't have the time raid like you do, but I still want the best stuff." And no, not you specifically.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

All this argument is why I suggested that Relics be 5 ilevels higher than the upgraded Tomestone weapons, and Savage weapons 5 ilevels higher than Relics.

[Sebazy]

However what is wrong with allowing others to acquire similar gear at the same ilvl?

Because this is a game of vertical progression.

If you remove the carrot, what are you left with? The reward needs to justify the means to get it. Want the big boy pants weapons? You'd better do the big boy pants content.

Endless coil is an extreme but relevant example of this, my own group is very likely capable of clearing it, as is my previous group from Gordias/Midas, in both cases, motivation has been the key stumbling block with my current bunch being unwilling to even dip their toes.

Remove the desire for those Savage weapons and you'll do the same to a lot of casual/midcore groups, which will potentially lead to another big drop in raid content interaction rates amongst the player base as a whole (The very reason we've got these comparatively easy raids in the first place).

By comparison, relic weapons are a pure and simple time sink with very little challenge beyond 'Can you afford this mat?' or 'Can you stay awake?'. They are very different things and as such, offer very different rewards. I do think it'd be nice to have them attaining parity during odd numbered patches (aka mid content cycle) to spread content out a little tho.