Black Mage

[Dualgunner]

maybe you should consider that not everybody hunts for numbers?

Maybe you should consider you're in a black mage balance thread, touting the very real issue that since black mages don't do enough damage, they're excluded from parties, so yes a lot of people here are hunting for numbers.

if u think that just talk about cls-design cause im out of arguments, you are exactly one of them I mentioned before.

My issue is you gave off, and still do give off, a very anti-dps based sentiment here. Yes I'm concerned for black mages numbers because they're excluded for not bringing enough and, as Galvuu pointed out, also a hindrance in ultimate.

I never denied that we are to strong right now - how could i ? I just said the situations were different - and yet if you try to deny that just shows that you run out of arguments yourself.

I never said you did deny it. I said its easy to discount other job's low dps when your own is leader of the pack. What's the phrase? "I've got mine, screw you."

[Neela]

I said its easy to discount other job's low dps when your own is leader of the pack. What's the phrase? "I've got mine, screw you."

usually im not like "eye for an eye" but well now you know how we felt... actually everything Blms are going through right now, we actually did on Smn right before (disinterest's, party lockouts, being savage clowns) oh and what happened? we got over buffed - so will Blm. People know that but act like hell is frozen right now....

[Dualgunner]

usually im not like "eye for an eye" but well now you know how we felt... actually everything Blms are going through right now, we actually did on Smn right before (disinterest's, party lockouts, being savage clowns) oh and what happened? we got over buffed - so will Blm. People know that but act like hell is frozen right now....

Given most of my exposure to you has boiled down to "now you know how we felt", afraid I have to doubt that claim. At least summoners could get good and do decent dps. Black Mage are at their limit and doing less.

Also summoners were never "savage clowns"; they got their relevant buffs on release with savage and were fine, then they went and got some more buffs.

Also lol at the thought that summoners are the only job to ever experience getting kept out of parties. I know thats not your claim but it is a heavy insinuation following the "now you know how we feel" argument.

[Neela]

they got their relevant buffs on release with savage and were fine

excuse me?... thats why so many caster switched to RDM in progress, because we were "fine" yay... ^^'

[Galvuu]

usually im not like "eye for an eye" but well now you know how we felt... actually everything Blms are going through right now, we actually did on Smn right before (disinterest's, party lockouts, being savage clowns) oh and what happened? we got over buffed - so will Blm. People know that but act like hell is frozen right now....

I shouldn't, but I'll indulge myself to one last reply. It's obvious you neither know what you're talking about nor understand the game very well.
I've replied this to you once already in another thread, but...
When 4.0 hit, our rotation was so broken that it was almost impossible to execute. People were often using the HW rotation because when any mechanic happened the SB 6xF4 rotation was impossible to execute due to excessively strict AF/UI timers.
Stop acting like only Summoner knows are expac/patch issues are. I gave you a huge list of jobs that faced serious problems with new updates.
There even was a reddit thread which aggregated parses that showed that just as many BLMs switched over to RDM.
And guess how many switched to SMN now? Or are we just ignoring that because it's convenient?

Everything you say is so facetious and... plain wrong.
I'm letting me emotions get the better of me and sullying Sfia's thread with off-topic junk.

Of course you had to be from Zodiark too, as if it wasn't bad enough.
Get out of here with your victim complex and learn how to play Summoner properly instead. shesh.

[Dualgunner]

excuse me?... thats why so many caster switched to RDM in progress, because we were "fine" yay... ^^'

Oh? You weren't gonna keep that condescending "sure thing"?

Summoner was fine before it got its insane over buffs. Perfect? No, but definitely could be trained to hold their own.

And you bring a good point on how stupidly RDM is balanced. We're training wheels as it is: used for prog and dumped at the earliest possibility.

Edit: I apologize Sfia; not the first time I've gone off topic in your thread.

[Shiroe]

... we actually never cried for DPS INCREASE or TOP RAID-RANKING POSITION we cried about the bad design and stack punishment. they tried to change that and the outcome was more dps but it was not just a pot buff like Blm now demand... : /

so yeah for me its [/I][/B]

the main reason blm are asking for more flat damage/dps, is because we are a dps with no utility to start with.. (we do NOT want rez)

and blm gameplay has always been one of the hardest to maintain in real end raids, but were not getting rewarded enough for playing well... (but get punished hard & fast, ..with more damage, it could compensate), just from that standpoint, we SHOULD be top dps

AND were not getting in PFs anymote for those reasons either, WTF DEVS??

[Neela]

Oh? You weren't gonna keep that condescending "sure thing"?

Summoner was fine before it got its insane over buffs.

first of I changed my answer cause I know you would interprate it as condescending - although it wasn't meant like that.

RDM faces the same problem than Brd, Mch, Smn and all the other cls which are on the bottom ranks from time to time - sadly most people are dropping their cls if something stronger pass them. They don't play their cls cause they like them, but cause they perform well in grp-syngery. I wouldn't change my main for that reason - like I can hear your sadness about RDMs, I guess you won't switch RDM as well? If people would stick to things they actually like and won't change everytime to the "best of" (whatever cls it might be at that timeframe) - all the discussions about balance, buffs and nerfs wouldn't be that huge and emotional.

Like the ultimates worlds first tank answered he played Drk for fun not because of Dark Mind or any other advantage the cls might have. Thats what it should be like imo...

[Dualgunner]

first of I changed my answer cause I know you would interprate it as condescending - although it wasn't meant like that.

Fair enough.

I'm not here to talk about Red Mage--there is a thread dedicated to it elsewhere. Black Mage is in a spot where players who want to play it through ultimate can not, because it is not equipped to handle it without weakening the group overall.

Also worth noting the only thing you've done that sparked any emotion than slight sleepy chuckles was imply that Black Mage needs to wait in line for buffs. I feel that you're incorrect, and if you are, they shouldn't buff jobs up one at a time. Black Mage's issues also aren't as new as you think; as Galvuu stated, they've suffered expac launch as hard as summoners did.

[Llugen]

Phew I think the last bunch of posts gave me cancer.

A quality of life Fix for Monk would be good, but as has been illustrated several times its damage is just fine and the biggest (only?) reason that it is shunned if at all is because piercing is too good for ranged, particularly DOUBLE ranged.


BLM on the other hand could use both QoL and actual buffs, because..... yeah.