DRK Consolidated Feedback Thread

[Aana]

I also notice people are commenting about warrior buffs, and pointing out the inconsistencies of the highest tank feeling it needs more damage. But I've noticed a steep decline in conversation in dark threads about buffs. We need to keep the conversation going as much as possible.

More than half of the 1st 2 pages of tank threads are explicitly Drk change related as I type this. A couple of troll threads on war, and threads on the (BRAND NEW) ultimate results and the xeno interview. If 'tapering' interest means having the chance to read about anything besides drk fix threads on the board then I call that a win. 75% Drk threads for months on end changing to 50% is lovely. There is no possible way SE is not aware. Drk has been blacking out the boards for months. If they don't do anything its a conscious choice, not a lack of awareness. Blacking out the 3/4ths of the tank boards for another 2 months isn't going to say anything that hasn't been said in the last 3 months of obsessive coverage. I get the 'keep up the fight!" mentality, but SE is aware. There is no possible way they are sitting there like "Everyone thinks everything is fine!". They are just choosing not to talk back. They are either working quietly on the issue, or have consciously decided "there is no problem git gud".

Keep up the discussion, but not having every thread on the boards monopolized doesn't mean the movement is dying. It means people want to also talk about other things. There is more than broken drk goin on in the world.

[Chrono_Rising]

More than half of the 1st 2 pages of tank threads are explicitly Drk change related as I type this. A couple of troll threads on war, and threads on the (BRAND NEW) ultimate results and the xeno interview. If 'tapering' interest means having the chance to read about anything besides drk fix threads on the board then I call that a win. 75% Drk threads for months on end changing to 50% is lovely. There is no possible way SE is not aware. Drk has been blacking out the boards for months. If they don't do anything its a conscious choice, not a lack of awareness. Blacking out the 3/4ths of the tank boards for another 2 months isn't going to say anything that hasn't been said in the last 3 months of obsessive coverage. I get the 'keep up the fight!" mentality, but SE is aware. There is no possible way they are sitting there like "Everyone thinks everything is fine!". They are just choosing not to talk back. They are either working quietly on the issue, or have consciously decided "there is no problem git gud".

Keep up the discussion, but not having every thread on the boards monopolized doesn't mean the movement is dying. It means people want to also talk about other things. There is more than broken drk goin on in the world.

My comment means that conversations the past few days have tappered off in dark knight threads where we talk about what we need. Most efforts have been put towards combatting people who feel we don't. For someone who has always demanded proof, you have given us a statement which no one can support, the devs had said nothing. Until they do the assumption is they have not notice.

[Aana]

My comment means that conversations the past few days have tappered off in dark knight threads where we talk about what we need. Most efforts have been put towards combatting people who feel we don't. For someone who has always demanded proof, you have given us a statement which no one can support, teh devs had said nothign. Until they do the assumption is they did not notice.

It's a statement that is common sense logic.

Goal: Drk's want to make developers aware of their grievances and then take action based on them.
Method: Flood the official forums for months keeping 90% of the conversations centered around said grievances.

Possible outcomes after months of constant posting:
A: The devs (rather community managers who report info to devs) read the forums and thus are incapable of 'missing' such a prolonged deluge.
B: The devs (rather community managers who report info to devs) DO NOT read the forums and thus missed such a prolonged deluge.

The only 'assumption' made is that people whos job it is to read the forums somehow missed MONTHS of constant Drk spam all over the boards which I find highly improbable. Therefore:

If A is true, the ball is handily in SEs court. They have been silent. Based on the above they know about the grievances across JP and international boards. They will either act, or not act, but ignorance is no longer an option.

If B is true, then they are bad at their job, but beyond that, NO amount of posts will matter because they aren't reading them at all.

In all scenarios keeping virtually every discussion drk based wont help. The goal is no longer seeking attention. The only possible benefit of continued posts is presenting specific actionable ideas they may not have considered (assuming they have quietly decided to make changes in the 1st place). But just taking up real estate for the sake of garnering attention is completely unnecessary.

[Chrono_Rising]

0 evidence for either claim still. It is logical. Which is happening? No one knows. I have found common sense to be one of the least common things.

[WhyAmIHere]

I thought the whole point of that sarcastic Shake It Off thread was bitterness towards the fact that everyone seems to accept that it's more likely Warrior will have any outstanding minor issues complained about addressed before Dark Knight receives anything other than extremely small potency buffs. This is, in fact, our dimension.

Correct. As soon as "DRK cleared WF UCoB" happened I knew there'd be WAR's clammoring for buffs, indignant or ignorant to the complaints of DRK's for the past few months, and decrying "It's not fair how unbalanced the tanks are!"
Everyone has their favorites, and I am not without bias myself. I do not enjoy WAR. But if WAR is to be given buff after buff, and a potential of more buffs is coming to them, DRK is owed plenty by now that SE needs to ******* address.

[Aana]

0 evidence for either claim still. It is logical. Which is happening? No one knows. I have found common sense to be one of the least common things.

My point is that it doesn't matter which is happening for us. Either they read the forums and thus know about the months of Drk threads all over every language, thus additional threads for the sake of 'exposure' are irrelevant, or they don't read the forums and nothing we post ever is relevant. Either way just spamming more threads wont help anything. The only thing left is to 'hope' they are/are planning too adjust drk and post constructive ideas they may not have considered. But volume just for attention is pointless at this stage. If they read, theyve already seen it. If they don't, they'll never see it.

[SyzzleSpark]

My point is that it doesn't matter which is happening for us. Either they read the forums and thus know about the months of Drk threads all over every language, thus additional threads for the sake of 'exposure' are irrelevant, or they don't read the forums and nothing we post ever is relevant. Either way just spamming more threads wont help anything. The only thing left is to 'hope' they are/are planning too adjust drk and post constructive ideas they may not have considered. But volume just for attention is pointless at this stage. If they read, theyve already seen it. If they don't, they'll never see it.

The additional threads posted aren't any more or less useful then your posts pontificating about what we should or shouldn't post about, frankly.

I remember your recent posts and you've been absent from this forum for a week or two, so there was in fact a distinct falloff in posts about DRK at that time. Its only in the last 24-48 hours that everything has been bumped again, and for the most part, people are posting legitimate and well-written ideas and suggestions in various forms. Assuming that because there are a lot of them, the majority must be fluff is fallacious.

Additionally, threads of this nature have been dating back to June. They tell us during live letters and such to continue providing feedback via the forums, and in cases like, say, WHM for instance, we know that they do take notice.

[Aana]

The additional threads posted aren't any more or less useful then your posts pontificating about what we should or shouldn't post about, frankly.

This entire tangent was based entirely on:

But I've noticed a steep decline in conversation in dark threads about buffs. We need to keep the conversation going as much as possible.

Did I ever state no one should post? No. Did I say stop posting about drk changes and ideas? nope. I read the quote to mean drks should up their post count and activity to maintain visibility. I then see over half of the threads in the tank section already are Drk and the posts faaaar outweigh any other discussion topic and and have for months and point out the obvious. Note this is AFTER the noted 'slowdown' of drk discussion. It was significantly higher.

Visibility has been achieved. The people who are paid to read these forums cant realistically have MISSED months of this stuff, and if they actually do (ie don't read forums) then this entire exercise is utterly pointless. In the same breath I state people should continue to post feedback and constructive ideas.

The entire sidebar was only about posting for visibilities sake in an already highly visible subject. Shining light where its already high noon so people notice isn't going to do anything.

[WhyAmIHere]

This entire tangent was based entirely on:


Did I ever state no one should post? No. Did I say stop posting about drk changes and ideas? nope. I read the quote to mean drks should up their post count and activity to maintain visibility. I then see over half of the threads in the tank section already are Drk and the posts faaaar outweigh any other discussion topic and have for months and point out the obvious. Visibility has been achieved. The people who are paid to read these forums cant realistically have MISSED months of this stuff, and if they actually do (ie don't read forums) then this entire exercise is utterly pointless. In the same breath I state people should continue to post feedback and constructive ideas.

The entire sidebar was only about posting for visibility in an already highly visible subject. Shining light where its already high noon so people notice isn't going to do much.

The problem is that you're assuming as such. Tangentially yes it can be inferred that they're paying attention with regards to how WAR's been buffed/improved since SB's release, but there's been mum to say about DRK. It's an implied preferential treatment that a portion of the community isn't satisfied with, and SE has not been forthcoming about the matter, both here and in the JP forums as far as I know.

[MauvaisOeil]

I wouldn't like beeing a new player searching relevant information on about how to play on theses forums, however. Everything is flooded in complaints, and it's more discouraging than anything for any new eye here.