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    MiniPrinny's Avatar
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    Sakura Yukimoto
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    So, perhaps instead of asking for balance adjustments, since DRK is plenty compatible with all current content, we should be asking instead for changes to the gameplay feel? Since, I don't think I'm any where near alone when I say DRK just feels downright awful in Stormblood.

    I would love to have our Heavensward usage of Dark Arts and Dark Passenger back along with maybe a bleed again. Please?
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    Something... something... edginess... shadows... wait... I'm supposed to be a paragon of love and justice!

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    ULoki's Avatar
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    Loki Linz
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    Goblin
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    Conjurer Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by MiniPrinny View Post
    So, perhaps instead of asking for balance adjustments, since DRK is plenty compatible with all current content, we should be asking instead for changes to the gameplay feel? Since, I don't think I'm any where near alone when I say DRK just feels downright awful in Stormblood.

    I would love to have our Heavensward usage of Dark Arts and Dark Passenger back along with maybe a bleed again. Please?
    Gameplay is fun...at least according to the 1st world Ultimate player which most likely holds more weight than random forum poster.
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    Rhais's Avatar
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    Sophie Miret-njer
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    Faerie
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    Black Mage Lv 85
    Quote Originally Posted by ULoki View Post
    Gameplay is fun...at least according to the 1st world Ultimate player which most likely holds more weight than random forum poster.
    Fun is subjective, random forum poster's opinion holds just as much weight in that regard as WF ultimate player.
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    Mycow8me's Avatar
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    Tolby Seyfert
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    Blacksmith Lv 70
    Personally, I still believe the real hurdle for dark knight is doubleweaving due to the current dark arts functionality. Future instant skills with dark arts affects will just create more problems without a dark arts rework.
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    Eliroth-Kaminari's Avatar
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    Moku Satsu
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Yes dark game play animations and lore is fun but compare to other tanks you are weakest.
    At this point ultimate savage clears
    Week ago it was 7 clears 3 drk/pld 4 war/pld
    Today its 16 clears 3 drk/pld from first week and 13 war/pld

    I Allredy see where it's going.

    If ppl recall most Alex world first clears were war/pld.
    If it's case why pld needed any buff begin whit.
    Think on that if you bring up Ultima savage first clear as excuse
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    Last edited by Eliroth-Kaminari; 11-20-2017 at 11:16 PM.

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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eliroth-Kaminari View Post
    Yes dark game play animations and lore is fun but compare to other tanks you are weakest.
    At this point ultimate savage clears
    Week ago it was 7 clears 3 drk/pld 4 war/pld
    Today its 16 clears 3 drk/pld from first week and 13 war/pld

    I Allredy see where it's going.

    If ppl recall most Alex world first clears were war/pld.
    If it's case why pld needed any buff begin whit.
    Think on that if you bring up Ultima savage first clear as excuse
    They'll still use it as an excuse to justify that DRK is fine... ESPECIALLY WHEN LORE AND GAMEPLAY DON'T MATCH! (I'm looking at you, DRK level 70 quest ending...)
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    Cheyze's Avatar
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    Nanazaja Torneau
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Eliroth-Kaminari View Post
    If ppl recall most Alex world first clears were war/pld.
    If it's case why pld needed any buff begin whit.
    Think on that if you bring up Ultima savage first clear as excuse
    HW PLD was great for progression. Once people figured out fights and there was no need for the fail-safe mitigation PLD offered, DRK became more desireable.

    Their plea for some sort of buff was indeed justified.



    SB PLD is great both during and after progression.

    SB DRK is theoretically worse in both scenarios.

    The only time DRK shines is in lvl 70 dungeons, and only under the condition that everyone knows how to perform.
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    Ekimmak's Avatar
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheyze View Post
    The only time DRK shines is in lvl 70 dungeons, and only under the condition that everyone knows how to perform.
    I'd argue it's the most sustained tank in PVP, but who cares about that?

    I'd also argue against it in dungeons, as you still have a class with a very obvious cooldown deficiency, and the optimal play method there is to pull as much as humanly possible.
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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    I'd argue it's the most sustained tank in PVP, but who cares about that?
    PVP got gutted so hard for the new PVP mode that nobody like the new PVP functionally, ESPECIALLY SINCE DRKS LOST DARKSIDE IN PVP!
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    PVP got gutted so hard for the new PVP mode that nobody like the new PVP functionally, ESPECIALLY SINCE DRKS LOST DARKSIDE IN PVP!
    Why should that make a difference when potencies can be retuned accordingly? It's not as if their ppm was reduced as a result of Darkside being lost; any changes there would be a result of the devs deciding to nerf DRK regardless..
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