How's Ultimate?

[RiyahArp]

Who do people think they are to say this was a waste of resources? .

It's a total waste of resources. There aren't even that many people streaming it, and people are mostly just talking about it because the game right now has no real content for anyone to do that isn't the same as they have been doing since HW. Already the talking is dying down a bit as people are getting tired of streams that involve wiping to three minute phase mechanics, and soon the non world-firsters probably are going to give up for sanity's sake.

It's not puggable at all,which is a lot of what made creator and omega have any long term play value, and there's no gear upgrades to make it more farmable, so there's going to be a lot less incentive to keep doing it over time. It's not something people are going to grow into doing, or be reused later on for any content even unsynced.

This will end up worse than 1v1 pvp for long term usefulness.

[l1nk]

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You do realize those doing ultimate had no content for 1,5 year to do? And u're telling them about no content?

[RiyahArp]

You do realize those doing ultimate had no content for 1,5 year to do? And u're telling them about no content?

And after this, they still will have no content to do. The difference is they will raid log in a week instead of a day. And people will stop talking about this the moment any one group beats it, because the question of who will beat this first is really the only matter of interest to it. You can't make content for that group with any longevity short of making it literally impossible, and every single bit of "hard" content in this game massively falls off in interest a couple of weeks after release, and needs constant refreshing to get people to do it.

[Nestama]

It's a total waste of resources.

By that logic, Turn 5, 9 and 13 (maybe even 12) were a waste of resources.

[heynowjose]

It's not something people are going to grow into doing, or be reused later on for any content even unsynced.

This will end up worse than 1v1 pvp for long term usefulness.

The problem is this right here. People keep looking at Ultimate as though it is content made to be "useful", if I may borrow your word. It's not. It's purely a challenge for those who've requested one.

The same way other parts of the game have been changed/added because of the requests of the more casual players. (And for the record I'm one of those casual palyers. I've beaten everything but Delta4 and I don't plan to any time soon lol And ultimate doesn't bother me at all. It's not meant for me)

This content is just that. A challenge. The reward is beating it. That's it. It's not meant to help casual players progress further, or be played for years on end, or help keep you busy until the next patch. It's only meant to give a challenge to players who've mastered all other content.

[Ameela]

This content is just that. A challenge. The reward is beating it. That's it. It's not meant to help casual players progress further, or be played for years on end, or help keep you busy until the next patch. It's only meant to give a challenge to players who've mastered all other content.

And there's nothing wrong with that.
The reason games like Dark Souls, Devil May Cry and Cuphead (for a more recent example) are popular is because people like the challenge those games provide.

It doesn't need to be useful, you might only play the game for gearing up and progressing but there are others who actually just like playing for fun, and if it takes fights like Unending Coil for that then who are you to take that away from them?

[Hikuras]

And there's nothing wrong with that.
The reason games like Dark Souls, Devil May Cry and Cuphead (for a more recent example) are popular is because people like the challenge those games provide.

It doesn't need to be useful, you might only play the game for gearing up and progressing but there are others who actually just like playing for fun, and if it takes fights like Unending Coil for that then who are you to take that away from them?

| I'm just happy you put Devil May Cry there. I cried. As someone who beat the hard Devil may cry 3 before Capcom nerfed it with the easy mode edition makes me happy you remembered the series Thank you