How's Ultimate?

[bswpayton]

I like how

Maybe one person agrees because the majority of players don't even acknowledge ultimate a thing thus don't care about chimming in. This thread would already be dead if people wern't arguing back and fourth because again u guy's are exaggerating the need of said content. Exaggerating the interest people have in it an exaggerating how many hard-core raiders there are when every piece of data available show that when fights are tuned high more people fail than succeed. People in this thread have made a few thousand sound like half the games population and it's not. Hardcore raiders that this content was made for is the equivalent of a small high school in a state with a 500k population

[Joe777]

Maybe one person agrees because the majority of players don\\'t even acknowledge ultimate a thing thus don\\'t care about chimming in. This thread would already be dead if people wernt arguing back and fourth because again u guy\\'s are exaggerating the need of said content. Exaggerating the interest people have in it an exaggerating how many hard-core raiders there are when every piece of data avaible show that when fights are tuned high more people fail than succeed. People in this thread have made a few thousand sound like half the games population and it\\'s not. Hardcore raiders that this content was made for is the equivalent of a small high school in a state with a 500k population

You really don't get it do you? It's the simple fact that no one has cleared it yet despite how many are trying that makes it precisely what the community has asked for. All other hard content was cleared too soon, but this? This is content worthy of those with amazing skill and talent for pushing their limits to the max that needed this. Yes not everyone is in that lot but why does that matter so much to you? Or is it you really are jealous and are lashing out about it rather than accept the content for what it is, root for those doing their absolute best to try to clear it, and try it yourself someday?

[bswpayton]

You really don't get it do you? It's the simple fact that no one has cleared it yet despite how many are trying that makes it precisely what the ?

what again does jealously have to do with anything. People have already stated that many raiders just log in to raid, or only stay long enough to get bis and leave. Many of the best raiders on my server dont even watch the cut scenes , they dont care about anything in the game but raiding.

Which is totally fine but doesnt mean u should go and bring out the red carpet for them, they arent dedicated to the game once the raids dont go the way they want they are out. Many players arent like that and actually like the game as a whole and that whom content should be protized around always not sometimes but all the time.

The nba doesnt adjust the game around Lebron James because he is the best player in the leauge , or the nfl for Tom Brady. And those players wouldnt expect that either because they are just on another level and take it for what it is, most streamers no they will never get what they want but they play because it provides them a living or just love for the series of ff. Like I said most of those in this thread are just bias , and most prob dont even stand a chance at this content and are still bias but whatever floats ur boat.

[Joe777]

doesnt mean u should go and bring out the red carpet for them

This right here sounds like jealousy, as in you are not one of the people enjoying the new content and wish you could like those that are enjoying it do.

Regarding what has been said about Unending Coils being the only thing from the recent patch and should not have been the only thing: It was not ready in time to make it with 4.1, so they added it with 4.11, which isn't even a big patch, just a small incremental one. If this was all we got with 4.15 for example, that'd be another story.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People in this thread have made a few thousand sound like half the games population and it\\'s not. Hardcore raiders that this content was made for is the equivalent of a small high school in a state with a 500k population

No, you just continuously misinterpret the argument. Those "few thousand" are the players who make all the guides and help the community. To casually dismiss the Xenos, Miyuri and Momos who try to help the community improve shows you don't have any grasp of the trickle down effect. If these players start leaving because the game has become too easy, who will replace them? Someone else just as good... who inevitably grows equally bored as time goes on for the same reasons they did? Many of these players already unsubbed before 4.1 even dropped because they lost faith. Some came back due to Ultimate actually living up to its hype. They deserve some slice of the proverbial pie and your crusade against Ultimate is basically telling them all "Too bad. I don't care what you want."

If Ultimate dwindles in interest, at least the devs finally tried something different. It's a huge step above the same tired tomestone, two dungeon, one primal, four increasingly easier raids they've been doing since Heavensward. And once again, this cost very little to produce. You keep making a big deal over minimal resources. Ultimate didn't delay Eureka, it didn't detract from adding more Savage fights and the devs claim it didn't even take away the one dungeon. So stop acting like Ultimate stole content away from casual players. It didn't.

they arent dedicated to the game once the raids dont go the way they want

This is not exclusive to raiders. Many players take breaks or have left because XIV, at times, has lacked content. Hence why I'd agree with you complaining 4.1 didn't add much. It's your incessant whining towards Ultimate I take issue with.

[bswpayton]

No, you just continuously misinterpret the argument. Those "few thousand" are the players who make all the guides and help the .

I dono maybe people just want to make a living off of games they like. Games way more casual and easier have content streamers have you played swtor , thy are always called out for being to casual are not being challenging enough but that game makes more than this one and have streamers. You again are exaggerating how important these people are , or assuming they would just say oh I dont know I dont wana make money off this game anymore let me go do something else.

Streamers make content that is gona keep them afloat and if ff14 did that then they wouldn't just up and decide to leave. There will always be someone there limit break radio if you listen to them essentially hate this game but yet still base their show around it because thats what the fans want. So stop actin like if ultimate didn't exist then all of suddon people would stop makin any guides and content and what not on it. This game according to SE has the most subs its ever had, and this was before ultimate even came out, and the raid numbers didnt just grow so much that youd say it was all these raiders coming to the game from others.

So again you are just using the trickle down effect to support your argument when it really doesnt, people play this game for many reasons. You will always look at the game through a raiders point of view , and thats just not what brings people to the game there is no data supporting that argument none at all. The question is simple if the game scrapped ultimate and brought something else out that more people had access to and actually liked that was challenging enough. Then just based on numbers alone more people would be happy as opposed to the small amount thats all excited about ultimate.

And also its nothing different more people will still be grinding tomes and doing weeklys than doing ultimate and thats just a fact and u know this as well this content changed nothing for the majority.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

thy are always called out for being to casual are not being challenging enough but that game makes more than this one and have streamers. You again are exaggerating how important these people are , or assuming they would just say oh I dont know I dont wana make money off this game anymore let me go do something else.

Citation needed. You really need to start making up your absolution claims, sweetheart. Regardless, of the three people I named, only one of them streams with any regularity. Most high end raiders who jump into PF or make job guides aren't streamers. Dervy did the vast majority of stat weights for HW yet he got paid next to nothing for his efforts. He did it to help the community.

thats just not what brings people to the game there is no data supporting that argument none at all.

Actually, I do. If you look at the speedkill scene, it's practically dead. Why? The hardcore raiders are bored. Don't just take my word for it, listen to Mogtalk where said raiders talk about it. Now before you go on claiming they don't represent a majority, I am well aware of that, but you're delusional if you don't think they impact the community overall. One of the primary reasons Gilgamesh grew into a mega server was due to Elysium's presence and it once being considered the "raid server." You can deny the trickle down effect all you fancy, but when you keep making this idiotic argument below...

The question is simple if the game scrapped ultimate and brought something else out that more people had access to and actually liked that was challenging enough. Then just based on numbers alone more people would be happy as opposed to the small amount thats all excited about ultimate.

For the last time, Ultimate uses recycled assets. How many times and how many people need to hammer that into your head? If they scrap Ultimate tomorrow, you get nothing. There wouldn't be new raids, new dungeons, Eureka or anything because Ultimate required minimalistic resources. This deluded notion Ultimate somehow detracted from the casual playerbase is... just that, delusional. The only one exaggerating here is you.