How's Ultimate?

[RiyahArp]

I never said the truly hardcore players weren't a minority But that does tend to be how it goes. Only the best will claim victory in content like this.

The same thing can be said for the Feast and it's rewards, but at least everyone can try the Feast, and it lasts beyond a short window of time. This cuts out 90% of the players from the start. Most people will only interact with it if they choose to watch someone's stream. Thats not a particularly good trend in content design for this game, especially since Stormblood is ridiculously content-light.

[bswpayton]

The same thing can be said for the Feast and it's rewards, but at least everyone can try the Feast, and it lasts beyond a short window of time. This cuts out 90% of the players from the start. Most people will only interact with it if they choose to watch someone's stream. Thats not a particularly good trend in content design for this game, especially since Stormblood is ridiculously content-light.

Thank you someone that thinks logical like I said, everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. I'm sorry but the most hard core raiders don't deserve their own content simply because it's not enough of them to warrant being catered to. And I'm not even opposed to the idea of ultimate. It's just highlighted because of how lacking in content this patch is. If they bring out stuff like this it should always be accompanied with something equivalent for other players.

[Joe777]

The same thing can be said for the Feast and it's rewards, but at least everyone can try the Feast, and it lasts beyond a short window of time. This cuts out 90% of the players from the start. Most people will only interact with it if they choose to watch someone's stream. Thats not a particularly good trend in content design for this game, especially since Stormblood is ridiculously content-light.

PvP is a joke, you know. No one PvPs seriously nowadays and I have heard tales of The Feast that do not exactly make it good content. That said, there is existing content some people don't want to touch already (exs, savage, etc.), and are perfectly fine not doing so. The trend you speak of started ages ago.

Thank you someone that thinks logical like I said, everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. I'm sorry but the most hard core raiders don't deserve their own content simply because it's not enough of them to warrant being catered to. And I'm not even opposed to the idea of ultimate. It's just highlighted because of how lacking in content this patch is. If they bring out stuff like this it should always be accompanied with something equivalent for other players.

So your logic is that because there aren't enough hardcore raiders that they shouldn't get worthy content. That, my friend, is false logic. If players don't have anything to strive for then they will get lazy and complacent and not try hard enough to get good enough to even attempt hardcore content. Coils Ultimate is a mountain to climb and while not everyone can climb it or reach the top it is still something to strive for. Furthermore, why punish good players with faceroll only content? If all content released is so easy everyone could do it and clear it then the game will get boring.

[bswpayton]

PvP is a joke, you know. No one PvPs seriously nowadays and I have heard tales of The Feast that do not exactly make it good content. That said, there is existing .

But that's just ur opinion, tho in my fc nobody has even beat neo exdeath. According to flogs way fewer people have cleared v2s than v4s. So that tells me the content is tuned enough that the drop off in parses are in the thousands. I say make more content like this then waste content for people who aren't even hardly interested in the game but one aspect. Content like shiyru, and up is more than enough to keep the majority of players content. Instead of ultimate we need something challenging but not impossible. In everything it's always people that's above the curve good for them doesn't mean u go and cater to them.

[HyoMinPark]

But that's just ur opinion, tho in my fc nobody has even beat neo exdeath. According to flogs way fewer people have cleared v2s than v4s. So that tells me the content is tuned enough that the drop off in parses are in the thousands. I say make more content like this then waste content for people who aren't even hardly interested in the game but one aspect. Content like shiyru, and up is more than enough to keep the majority of players content. Instead of ultimate we need something challenging but not impossible. In everything it's always people that's above the curve good for them doesn't mean u go and cater to them.

If they were to follow your logic, they would have to cull content for crafting and gathering. Because a lot of people have little to zero interest in crafting/gathering. What about PvP? The PvP community in FFXIV is small—probably smaller than the Savage raiding community. So should they not add in more PvP content because you deem it unpopular? There are people that subscribe just to raid and do Savage. Gilgamesh and Sargatanas are full of raid-loggers—they log in for raid, clear the floors, log out until next week. A lot of world first groups that have cleared Omega have stopped actively running the content every week because they’re already BiS in the jobs they play, or they run with alternate groups. Ultimate came out, and now those same raiders are active again and enjoying the content they asked for.

A lot of people would quit if the developers decided to stop adding in content for the more hardcore side community because they dislike the trend towards making “Savage” easier. And I think the developers are probably aware of that. They have to cater to everyone—not just the people that you think they should.

[Joe777]

But that's just ur opinion, tho in my fc nobody has even beat neo exdeath. According to flogs way fewer people have cleared v2s than v4s. So that tells me the content is tuned enough that the drop off in parses are in the thousands. I say make more content like this then waste content for people who aren't even hardly interested in the game but one aspect. Content like shiyru, and up is more than enough to keep the majority of players content. Instead of ultimate we need something challenging but not impossible. In everything it's always people that's above the curve good for them doesn't mean u go and cater to them.

Game developers cater to the softcore playerbase more than you realize. Throwing the hardcores a few bones once in awhile isn't gonna hurt the softcore players.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Thank you someone that thinks logical like I said, everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. I'm sorry but the most hard core raiders don't deserve their own content simply because it's not enough of them to warrant being catered to. And I'm not even opposed to the idea of ultimate. It's just highlighted because of how lacking in content this patch is. If they bring out stuff like this it should always be accompanied with something equivalent for other players.

I like how you have one person in a sea of people who agrees with you, and clearly they're "logical." I'll reiterate once again, if the hardcore raiders all begin quitting because the game no longer appeals to them in anyway. Who is making guides; who is joining PFs to help players get their clears? All the guides you see explaining the finer details and job intricacies are done by hardcore players-- the same community who think deserves nothing. The whole Theme Park genre intends to offer content for every demographic, be they hardcore raiders, roleplayers or people simply looking to have fun running a dungeon. If you divvy up this content individually, you'll discover things like crafting, gathering and even certain job (Machinist) have a rather niche audience. I suppose the devs should cut out crafting and PvP. After all, those aren't nearly as popular.

Again, it's one thing to complain 4.1 lacks content. Just stop blaming Ultimate because it has absolutely no bearing on why 4.1 may or may not feel empty.

[bswpayton]

If they were to follow your logic, they would have to

Some people would quit not a lot and if they won't to leave so be it

[Lunafreya]

Who do people think they are to say this was a waste of resources? I'm in a likeminded static of adults that makes jokes with only two raid days and we are working on the GCO and enrage. I fully admiit that this is past my level of skill and I will never clear it unless I change my schedule to hardcore. I still really really LOVE this fight for being so hard. This is absolutely not a waste of resources and is meant for the best of the best IE: 1% of the playerbase is ever going to clear this. People like Xeno and Elysium and the best Japanese raiders have only gotten to 87% or so on Bahamut's health bar. It's meant to be exclusive and if you are saying it is a waste you're just incredibly jealous that it's not for you.

[KaivaC]

Thank you someone that thinks logical like I said, everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. I'm sorry but the most hard core raiders don't deserve their own content simply because it's not enough of them to warrant being catered to. And I'm not even opposed to the idea of ultimate. It's just highlighted because of how lacking in content this patch is. If they bring out stuff like this it should always be accompanied with something equivalent for other players.

I didn't really have an issue with your postings up until you said that. Everyone else is coming down on you because you are continually turning an argument into something its not. Raiders don't deserve their own content? Seriously, it's just ONE fight. Its not even a set of four raids, it's one fight. And again, I have to point out that you are complaining when we are only one patch into this cycle. What exactly do you want the devs to be able to pull off in just four months since Stormblood's initial release?

It is honestly sounding like you want the devs to ignore the hardcore population and just produce patches specifically for casual and midcores. A lot of folks have already pointed out that the hardcores are getting something for them - it's one thing, as opposed to what we've already gotten so far. This 'me, me, me' attitude is immature. Just wait until 4.2. What is so hard about that? Or...oh, I dunno, find something else to do within FFXIV, or just take a break and wait til something catches your interest again. If the devs listened to you, there probably wouldn't be an Ultimate fight. 4.1 was originally supposed to have Eureka, if I remember correctly - the devs probably saw something and they pushed it back.