Built-in Parsers

[Lazaruz]

I support the addition of an official parser. An official parser does not make harassment of others over damage output okay. Why do people seem to think it would suddenly be okay to do???

Because SE is already on record that it's fine to remove people due to low DPS as it's a "difference in playstyle". They're just cracking down on people who use the numbers to harass other people as you're not supposed to have those numbers to begin with, but with a ingame tool you are and the line between "difference in playstyle" and "harassment" becomes much harder to draw.

Lord knows the GMs already seem to have a problem with actually punishing people who step outof line, instead of just opting for the victim to blacklist the person

I mean, there's people who use tools to kill people, but are they banned by the government? No. The perpetrators get punished, and those who use the tool as intended are still free to do so.

Horrible example to make as that varies by country to country, and only the US is really the poster child for maintaining this attitude despite a OVERWHELMING ammount of murders, school shootings, and you name it.

Many other countries DID effectively ban guns, because some people cannot be trusted to own one. And the murder rate dropped like a rock as a result.

It sucks but sometimes punishing the majority is actually the best option as it is the most effective, and I cannot wait for the people crying and begging for a parser in FF14 so they can judge the numbers of everyone else, to realise it.

[Baingoleth]

I mean, there's people who use tools to kill people, but are they banned by the government? No. The perpetrators get punished, and those who use the tool as intended are still free to do so.

Many other countries DID effectively ban guns, because some people cannot be trusted to own one. And the murder rate dropped like a rock as a result.

People who bring very divisive political arguments in an already heated debate about something else entirely should be automatically disqualified.

[Lazaruz]

People who bring very divisive political arguments in an already heated debate about something else entirely should be automatically disqualified.

You missed my point entirely.
My point is not only is it wrong to claim that it's true in all cases, but that those who did do the opposite of what Kairi said, had highly positive effects outof it.

Basicly just what I wrote at the very end (and you then conveniently skipped). Sometimes it is a good idea to punish the many, for the actions of a few

Uhm I wasn't referring to guns, but okay.

If you werent reffering to it, or doing it by proxy, you'd have made sure the interpertation wasnt there instead of deliberately allowing it through vague wording

[Baingoleth]

You missed my point entirely.
My point is not only is it wrong to claim that it's true in all cases, but that those who did do the opposite of what Kairi said, had highly positive effects outof it.

Basicly just what I wrote at the very end (and you then conveniently skipped). Sometimes it is a good idea to punish the many, for the actions of a few



If you werent reffering to it, or doing it by proxy, you'd have made sure the interpertation wasnt there instead of deliberately allowing it through vague wording

I read your whole post. I quoted only the relevant bits to express my sentiment. Let's not compare parsers to guns kplsthx. Bringing up gun control is the sort of thing that derails otherwise productive threads.

[Lazaruz]

I read your whole post. I quoted only the relevant bits to express my sentiment. Let's not compare parsers to guns kplsthx. Bringing up gun control is the sort of thing that derails otherwise productive threads.

Again, I'm not doing a direct comparison between the 2.
I'm comparing the need to punish everyone using them because a few rotten apples.

And lets be real, this thread stopped being productive long before it even existed, since this topic has already been discussed to death, but neither side wants to give a inch

[Baingoleth]

And lets be real, this thread stopped being productive long before it even existed, since this topic has already been discussed to death, but neither side wants to give a inch

I seriously doubt this topic will go away as long as tools like ACT exist and tools like ACT are going to keep on existing. This is why my stance is to ask for SE to stop the transmission of other player's numbers to all party members.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And lets be real, this thread stopped being productive long before it even existed, since this topic has already been discussed to death, but neither side wants to give a inch

Because like the ever beloved healer DPS, the opposing side lacks a stable argument. You claim parses would make it too easy to blur the lines between "playstyle" and "harassment" yet that doesn't add up.

"What's going on <insert player name>? Your DPS (SAM) is really low."
"Wtf <insert player name>? Fix your shit or I'm kicking you."

Those are two widely different tone. I can and should be reported for the latter, but the former isn't harassment in any way. If said player refuses to improve or admits they don't know their rotation well. I'm not obligated to carry them through content. If you think PF groups don't already kick for poor parses, you haven't pugged Savage. The only difference is they just don't tell you why or they reform the party and invite those they wanted back.

The parse argument basically boils down to "you'll hurt someone's feelings."

[Kacho_Nacho]

Because like the ever beloved healer DPS, the opposing side lacks a stable argument. You claim parses would make it too easy to blur the lines between "playstyle" and "harassment" yet that doesn't add up. "What's going on <insert player name>? Your DPS (SAM) is really low."
"Wtf <insert player name>? Fix your shit or I'm kicking you."

Those are two widely different tone. I can and should be reported for the latter, but the former isn't harassment in any way. If said player refuses to improve or admits they don't know their rotation well. I'm not obligated to carry them through content. If you think PF groups don't already kick for poor parses, you haven't pugged Savage. The only difference is they just don't tell you why or they reform the party and invite those they wanted back.

The parse argument basically boils down to "you'll hurt someone's feelings."

Not true. Can't you see why parsers would turn a large number of people off? I can't speak for everyone; but, a lot of us FFXIV players came over from WoW, a game which embraces the use of parsers.

It is common to have people post their DPS numbers into party/raid chat after every pull. It is not uncommon to be called a scrub or worse because you can't match the dps of someone twenty ilevels above you.

So, it's not parsers will hurt someone's feelings. It's that they will irrevocably change the game's community and atmosphere for the worse.