In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

[Abelfei]

im not argueing nothing im stating facts... Selling a house for crazy amounts will get you banned and SE has stated this..So keep thinking your justified in selling it for 500 mil just cause some one will pay or you think its worth that

Where did you get the impression that i was selling a plot for 500 million? I've never sold a plot, yet alone been on either end of a transaction that large. I was merely stating that their are deals that large going on currently. Your slander and false accusations are just as bad as any TOS violation. To misquote and put those word in my mouth is ridiculous. I see a word in that copy and paste quote that says "enormous", and that rings loudly to me, and backs up what I have been saying. Look for someone who isn't gouging, and there are plenty doing plots at reasonable prices, not enourmous price gouging, which is what he said not to do.

[Strywin]

im not argueing nothing im stating facts... Selling a house for crazy amounts will get you banned and SE has stated this..So keep thinking your justified in selling it for 500 mil just cause some one will pay or you think its worth that ..its not that is called house flipping you are making more then the house is valued on the sign board..

"In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

Yeah TBF, he was going to sell it for 200 million or more possibly according to his reddit post that he deleted.

[Siniztor]

Yeah TBF, he was going to sell it for 200 million or more possibly according to his reddit post that he deleted.

yea seems his post keep magicly getting deleted like where he said he put up a add for 200 mil but the guy talked him down and why would he sell for 150 mil when thats what he paid...then the post where he said the value is going up now worth 500 mil lol

[Siniztor]

Where did you get the impression that i was selling a plot for 500 million? I've never sold a plot, yet alone been on either end of a transaction that large. I was merely stating that their are deals that large going on currently. Your slander and false accusations are just as bad as any TOS violation. To misquote and put those word in my mouth is ridiculous. I see a word in that copy and paste quote that says "enormous", and that rings loudly to me, and backs up what I have been saying. Look for someone who isn't gouging, and there are plenty doing plots at reasonable prices, not enourmous price gouging, which is what he said not to do.

well since your post keep magicly dissapering like lucky charms lol...you had a post up stright up saying you put ad out for 200mil but the guy talked you down and you wernt reselling for 150 mil cause thats what you paid..then you posted the price keeps going up its worth 500 mil now lol.. i never once said you sold a plot. going by your own post where you had put a ad up for 200 mil and then you stating the price went up its worth 500 mil now.

BTW i never once slander you or stated a false accusation..your own post which others saw back up what i said..but either you deleted them or SE is watching you.. you post you put a ad for a house sale up for 4 x the max value of any large 200 mil then you your self said it was now worth 500..all i said is "keep thinking your justified in selling it for 500 mil" do see ny thing there that said you sold a plot?????

[Scardon]

They are worth whatever people will pay for them. That's the way its been, that's the way it'll go unless they change things. Nobody is getting fooled into buying, most people are completely willing to pay for nice plots, more so than the people that aren't willing. Most people have the mentality that it's no big deal, because they make hundreds of million between months anyway, so the value of gil to some is way different. When you have smalls averaging 3-20, mediums 25-250 and larges 100-600 million, and they sell everyday, whether you want to say they aren't worth that or not, they are, cause that is what the market is showing. If you want to argue flaws in the housing I would accept the pricing as one, as it is way too cheap for most people playing. For how competitive housing has become, I think the economy is showing us what they truly are worth, as opposed to what SE first set as a base cost. If someone obtains a plot, it is completely up to them and within their rights to relinquish it however they see fit, if they wanna relinquish it to someone privately, I think that is completely fine, no matter what the details of the transaction are, gil, items, completing runs etc.. I don't see why people should be mandated to release them to the public and let someone randomly stumble upon it. Value just went up some more. How? Cause i determine what it is worth to me. Others feel the same. Get the gil, buy it, be happy.

The entire concept of a fluctuating 'housing market' is against the rules. As stated repeatedly in other threads and in this thread with provided citations and evidence. the most you are allowed to sell a plot for is something close to its default listing price as if it were empty to make up the original price that was paid.

Even in that case the person who is ultimately buying it has to pay both the seller and then buy the plot, so they end up paying double which is still pretty unreasonable.

[Aldotsk]

Most people have the mentality that it's no big deal, because they make hundreds of million between months anyway, so the value of gil to some is way different. When you have smalls averaging 3-20, mediums 25-250 and larges 100-600 million, and they sell everyday, whether you want to say they aren't worth that or not, they are, cause that is what the market is showing. If you want to argue flaws in the housing I would accept the pricing as one, as it is way too cheap for most people playing. I don't see why people should be mandated to release them to the public and let someone randomly stumble upon it. Value just went up some more. How? Cause i determine what it is worth to me. Others feel the same. Get the gil, buy it, be happy.

Where in the world did you get that set of mind. Where do you get this kind of confident assumption where you think everyone thinks like you?

No. You are the only one who thinks that when people get gil that much to pay ridiculously for that house. I can't see myself that and I am sure people who has expressed their feelings from this 60+ pages plus 80-90% of housing people with people who signed the petition in Housing forum section would not agree with you.

When people earn that much gil, I suppose they will get bored out of the content to a point they will spend 100-600m for their house. But in the end, when everyone gets to have their houses and you can spend regular price - you are saving money than wasting extra.

[Damous]

Quote Originally Posted by Abelfei View Post
If the people " who really wanted " houses wanted them as bad as you think, they'd have one.

Thats where you are completely wrong. If you have read the posts, you would have seen that there are plenty of people that would really want A house, but because of greed and gold sellers, The housing market was gone in less then 10 minutes.

[Siniztor]

Quote Originally Posted by Abelfei View Post
If the people " who really wanted " houses wanted them as bad as you think, they'd have one.

Thats where you are completely wrong. If you have read the posts, you would have seen that there are plenty of people that would really want A house, but because of greed and gold sellers, The housing market was gone in less then 10 minutes.

If it was only a handfull of people maybe...but truth is the shiro houses gone in 10 mins is due to SE not releasing enough supply.. when you have servers with 5,000 + homeless people and you release 720 houses no matter what there gonna be gone in 10 mins

[ShayeraRyn]

Well if SE unchained gardening from housing plots and allowed something like instanced greenhouse plots that varied in size, and amount of planting beds based on how much gil was spent im pretty sure a lot of gardeners would gladly relenquish their houses once they get setup in their new gardening area. To be clear i don't want a housing plot im basically happy with the apartment (I still wish it was bigger or had 2 rooms). But if I just had reasonable access to say 3-6 gardening plots that were mine and mine alone along with the apartment I would be a very happy camper.

I completely agree with this. The apartments should allow for like another room at least because if you think about it it could solve some issues with the housing as it is right there but still we should be allowed to grant permissions to friends or even an FC since a lot of FCs don't have housing right now because of how things are set up currently.

[Siniztor]

I completely agree with this. The apartments should allow for like another room at least because if you think about it it could solve some issues with the housing as it is right there but still we should be allowed to grant permissions to friends or even an FC since a lot of FCs don't have housing right now because of how things are set up currently.

A post of mine from another thread..

Just make all apartments have the same interior as the houses . you can buy a s/m/l or buy a small and down the road upgrade to med or large. small has 2 floors like normal med the normal 3 floors and large the 3 massive floors add a balcony that looks out into genric scenery depending on where u pick to live ,mist ocean lav beds trees n so on... give balconys items limits like yards...make all apartments zone in from maijor citys to not just zones and offer transfer for apartments so they can change there balcony scenery..

As for gardens n workshops... take the sobs out of houses period / or add to all along with...
Put gardening and workshops in your GC squad door...the higher rank you are the more garden plots you have access to and the more airships..as well as housing glam schimatics.. no need to have these locked to houses or FC the airships bring back crafting material people not in fc can use..if airships only brought back items say such as rare buff making materil i can see it but time to unlock these two from houses

There are 3 GC ranks now 1-Private/ 2-Sergeant /3- Lieutenant
Garden plots/air ships
Rank 1 20 plots 1 ship
Rank 2 40 plots 2 ships
Rank 3 60 plots 4 ships