In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

**Rinuko** · 11-16-2017 05:49 PM

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

**Scardon** · 11-17-2017 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rinuko

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

**Keridwyn** · 11-17-2017 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Scardon

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

This. This right here.

A system like this would benefit everyone but the flippers. People could still give their houses to other people, people transferring servers could get the full price of purchase back and not have to wait 45 days for 80%, and people buying houses from other players don't have to pay hidden fees or worry that they won't get their property at the end of the transaction. Let players be able to list the plot from the placard once they remove all their furnishings and items and let anyone browsing the board be able to see the 'For Sale By Owner' listings alongside the empty plots.

**StouterTaru** · 11-17-2017 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Scardon

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

What would really happen:

There are never any houses up for sale on MB
Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

**Rinuko** · 11-17-2017 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

What would really happen:

There are never any houses up for sale on MB
Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

Unless the system restrics manual pricing and it would default to the plot value.

**Scardon** · 11-18-2017 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

What would really happen:

There are never any houses up for sale on MB
Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

Yes, which I addressed, any significant amounts of gil trading hands around the time of a house sale/purchase could be investigated for violating TOS.

**Arazehl** · 11-20-2017 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Scardon

Yes, which I addressed, any significant amounts of gil trading hands around the time of a house sale/purchase could be investigated for violating TOS.

If they investigated everyone that sells the rights to buy at a 200% or more profit to the seller, which is a lot across all servers, it would take an astronomical amount of time and resources still. They need to introduce into the UI itself a away for housing plots to carry over from seller to buyer, where the transaction is fair to both and cannot be manipulated by either party. That would relieve this insatiable need for sellers to charge 10x the amount of what the plot was originally worth.

**Alleo** · 11-17-2017 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Scardon

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

That would be an idea I could get behind as long as they punish those that will try to get more out of it. (Like wanting more Gil sent per mail) At least this gives both sides a benefit. People can get rid of their house and get their Gil back and people can buy it without having to fear of losing the house and having to pay more than the original price.

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

What would really happen:

There are never any houses up for sale on MB
Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

If there will be no more houses for sale then either the people still need their houses or they are truly house flippers that do that only for profit and I dont really feel bad for them.

Any other player that just want the house gone will gladly sell it for the original price because other then the items in the house they would not lose a single gil. This way it might make it non-profitable for the flippers thus they might even stop in the future. Win Win for everyone else.

About the extra gil: Well they simply could make it an instant ban in the ToS (like truly making it part of it) thus everyone that does it that way will be punished. The selling of a house through players should then be done with a certain system which should be watchable by the GMs. So they would know who sold it and who bought it and might just watch for further transactions. Or they simply could say that any contract that they players did (like "I will sell it to you but you have to send me x million Gil per mail or trade") will not be real thus a buyer can simply just pay the original price and not more and if the seller attacks them for that they can simply report them and the only one that is punished is the seller.

I am quite sure that if they make sure to be very strict about it, that people would not buy overprice.

Or they could make it anonymous so that the seller does not know who buys it. Thus they cant just force more money out of this.

**StouterTaru** · 11-20-2017 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Alleo

If there will be no more houses for sale then either the people still need their houses or they are truly house flippers that do that only for profit

Yes, that's the situation, because there are more people that want houses than there are houses. Anti-flipping measures won't solve that core issue; all it does is restrict house ownership to those that are able to log in at 3am on a Tuesday patch day.

**Alleo** · 11-20-2017 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Yes, that's the situation, because there are more people that want houses than there are houses. Anti-flipping measures won't solve that core issue; all it does is restrict house ownership to those that are able to log in at 3am on a Tuesday patch day.

I agree it will still not be enough for everyone. But it would punish at least those that buy them only to flip them. So it would only be negative for those that use a limited resource to earn Gil from those that truly want it. If they cant flip houses for profit anymore all the houses would at least be in the hands of those that care about it. So if SE cant provide us with housing for everyone then this solution would at least stop those people that misuse the system for their own gain. So at least still a better system that we have right now.

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