How's Ultimate?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

thy are always called out for being to casual are not being challenging enough but that game makes more than this one and have streamers. You again are exaggerating how important these people are , or assuming they would just say oh I dont know I dont wana make money off this game anymore let me go do something else.

Citation needed. You really need to start making up your absolution claims, sweetheart. Regardless, of the three people I named, only one of them streams with any regularity. Most high end raiders who jump into PF or make job guides aren't streamers. Dervy did the vast majority of stat weights for HW yet he got paid next to nothing for his efforts. He did it to help the community.

thats just not what brings people to the game there is no data supporting that argument none at all.

Actually, I do. If you look at the speedkill scene, it's practically dead. Why? The hardcore raiders are bored. Don't just take my word for it, listen to Mogtalk where said raiders talk about it. Now before you go on claiming they don't represent a majority, I am well aware of that, but you're delusional if you don't think they impact the community overall. One of the primary reasons Gilgamesh grew into a mega server was due to Elysium's presence and it once being considered the "raid server." You can deny the trickle down effect all you fancy, but when you keep making this idiotic argument below...

The question is simple if the game scrapped ultimate and brought something else out that more people had access to and actually liked that was challenging enough. Then just based on numbers alone more people would be happy as opposed to the small amount thats all excited about ultimate.

For the last time, Ultimate uses recycled assets. How many times and how many people need to hammer that into your head? If they scrap Ultimate tomorrow, you get nothing. There wouldn't be new raids, new dungeons, Eureka or anything because Ultimate required minimalistic resources. This deluded notion Ultimate somehow detracted from the casual playerbase is... just that, delusional. The only one exaggerating here is you.

[bswpayton]

Who do people think they are to .

Jealous of what exactly it's nothing to be remotely jealous about

[HyoMinPark]

Jealous of what exactly it's nothing to be remotely jealous about

You incessant insisting that Ultimate is a waste of resources, and the tirade you’ve been on about it since it was announced, does start to sound like you’re jealous and/or salty about how you can’t do the content (be it because of lack or group or lack of skill), and that’s why you think it shouldn’t be in the game. Heck, someone on here not too long ago asked for Kugane jump puzzles to be removed on the sole basis that “I can’t do them, so they shouldn’t be in the game.”

[bswpayton]

You incessant insisting that Ultimate is a waste of resources, and the tirade you’ve been on about it since it was announced, does start to sound like you’re jealous and/or salty about how you can’t do the content (be it because of lack or group or lack of skill), and that’s why you think it shouldn’t be in the game. Heck, someone on here not too long ago asked for Kugane jump puzzles to be removed on the sole basis that “I can’t do them, so they shouldn’t be in the game.”

Money and riches is something to get jealous about not some content in a video game. So youd be totally wrong on that one and so would anyone else, if I wanted to be jealuos of someone it would be a bill gates , or a mark zukerburg even then they worked for theres so it would be stupid to be jealous of them.

I am just simply sayin if they where going to go outside of the norm then make stuff that most people can actually play not something for even half of those whom raid in the first place cant even do. Everyone else got the same old stale content cycle while , the only new and fresh stuff cant even be done by anyone in the game hardly. This is about lack of playable content. If I where jealous id be whinning about neoexdeath, but I didnt make a peep about it I did the raids that are easiest to do on your own and was totally fine with that. I dont care if people get further, I just want content for more people than a few people dont see how thats really an issue.

[HyoMinPark]

Money and riches is something to get jealous about not some content in a video game. So youd be totally wrong on that one and so would anyone else, if I wanted to be jealuos of someone it would be a bill gates , or a mark zukerburg even then they worked for theres so it would be stupid to be jealous of them.

I am just simply sayin if they where going to go outside of the norm then make stuff that most people can actually play not something for even half of those whom raid in the first place cant even do. Everyone else got the same old stale content cycle while , the only new and fresh stuff cant even be done by anyone in the game hardly. This is about lack of playable content. If I where jealous id be whinning about neoexdeath, but I didnt make a peep about it I did the raids that are easiest to do on your own and was totally fine with that. I dont care if people get further, I just want content for more people than a few people dont see how thats really an issue.

If you aren’t jealous, then why aren’t you just letting this go? Why continue on this tirade?

Ultimate was not the center of 4.1’s release: that was the 24-man Ivalice raid and Shirogane Housing (which, since that affects the entire playerbase as a whole—and is an extremely limited asset in a completely broken system—why aren’t you complaining about it?). Eureka will come out in 4.2, and hopefully it won’t be another Diadem; I think it was a good decision on the developer’s part to delay its release if Eureka doesn’t flop as hard as Diadem did (twice)—because, if you want to talk about something making or breaking the game, if Eureka turns out to be another Diadem, FFXIV is going to suffer for it; I’m fairly confident on that.

The majority of this game has content that is tuned for the more casual side of the playerbase—even Savage and the Ex trials are getting easier so that the more softcore side of the playerbase can get into the content. And while that’s not necessarily a bad thing (content accessibility in general isn’t), the tilt towards everything getting easier is something that a lot of people are growing annoyed with. Raiders are allowed to have their content, too, every once in a while. Sorry that that hurts you you so much.

And, news flash: “money and riches” aren’t the only things one can be jealous of.

[bswpayton]

If you aren’t jealous, then why aren’t you just letting this go? Why continue on this tirade?

Ultimate was not the center of 4.1’s release: that was the 24-man Ivalice raid and Shirogane Housing (which, since that affects the entire playerbase as a whole—and .

If what your sayin is true then anyone whom hasnt cleared neoexdeath or v3s would just be bumping their gums. As Ive said again the fflogs data shows that there arent even more than 5 to 6 k parses on some of the most popular jobs from neoexdeath. So noone can say the raids are easier if they havent even cleared them, thats why i refute this argument the forums is just a voice.

While data from floggs is a much bigger indicated on whats considered hard and whats not, if you and your group find the raids easy then fine, but if you look at the data then it proves that its not as easy for everyone as you may believe it to be. The last time I saw anyone even on the forums complain about how easy the raid was , on release when aka the best players of the game where steam roling them. Months down the line the devs have stated people have struggled with three and four, and the data shows the same thing.

So again this many people thinking the content is easy is just a lie, or have no room to speak if they are still on v3s or exdeath and havent even finished the raid tier. Data is always more important than a couple of people coming to the forums talkin about how easy things are. The saying goes numbers dont lie and talk is cheap, so talk of whats easy means nothing when the data shows that its not.

[Sunako]

Waste of resources? Good joke. Twitch have more viewers than ever in ff14 now thanks for ultimate. Even sponsored streamers not bring anywhere near that much viewers.

In topic i think this is really cool fight and it is really nice to have something else than super casual content until next raid tier. I bet lot raiders would unsub without that content until next raid tier because there is literally nothing to do otherwise.

[Unaki]

Waste of resources? Good joke. Twitch have more viewers than ever in ff14 now thanks for ultimate. Even sponsored streamers not bring anywhere near that much viewers.

In topic i think this is really cool fight and it is really nice to have something else than super casual content until next raid tier. I bet lot raiders would unsub without that content until next raid tier because there is literally nothing to do otherwise.

One of Team 5150's members got a sponsorship deal during their prog a few days ago. So its definitely picking up.

[Bernkastelx]

Its funny you bring up data when the parses have to be uploaded, and I can't say for the rest but if I was uploading a parse I would want it to be my best run. So bringing those numbers isn't really valid.

[Tenjou]

Game needs hard content like this, it makes good PR stories and something to look up. People like watching olympics or championships even if they don`t participate in them. It will make something rememberable in the future.

I don`t do ultimate and probably ever won`t get chance to do it, but it makes me excited that there is something like this.