Built-in Parsers

[PureSteel]

Also you can't fix what you don't know is broken. Maybe if they don't want players to use parsers they should remove enrage timers.

[Zarabeth]

For the 17,845th time. They are not going to put a parser into the game. All the threads in the world aren't going to help because they know what toxicity parsers lead to. Just read the forums to see how people treat others on here. Parsers lead to even more of that crap. Move on already.

[Lazaruz]

For the 17,845th time. They are not going to put a parser into the game. All the threads in the world aren't going to help because they know what toxicity parsers lead to. Just read the forums to see how people treat others on here. Parsers lead to even more of that crap. Move on already.

"Oh stop with the victim attitude. Parsers are completely fine and never cause any issues ever except every MMO ever who fully allowed it proving otherwise"

- Typical Pro Parser argument


As for me, yes I'll agree the fundamental problem is not the parser itself, but people being incredibly toxic, I still cannot fathom how on earth it makes sense to still allow people acess to the thing that is known for causing such a toxic community (Although then again the US is still wrapping its head around gun control). Yeah sometimes it does suck that the majority gets punished for the actions of a few, but creating thread after thread after thread on this topic and in various ways just completely shutting down the concerns of the other side instead of actually adressing them, just makes people like OP seem like petulant kids throwing a tantrum because they cant have their favourite toy in the way they want.

If you want a parser so badly. Play on PC and use ACT.
If you're not on PC then no, the game is litterally built around parsing software not being required, and trying to pretend otherwise is silly in the extreme

Untill the day those advocating for parser software getting official implementation are able to even remotely entertain the opinion of the other side, then there's no point in even discussing this further as it's just gonna devolve into a shouting match

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If people die to mechanics or mess them up because they have to check the overlay they are plain idiots and they would get distracted by any shit anyway. Don't blame the parser for that.

Oh the parser's just a tool. Blame the craftsman. People die for all kinds of reasons. I personally have a team that parses, but manages to stay focused. If I could say that about everyone, that'd be great. As it stands however, we're dealing with people who had trouble managing buffs and debuffs in one location on the screen, thus gauges were added, and people who legit thought the same hotbars they used in PvE for PvP was "too much" (this is a general statement, not aimed at anyone". For that reason, we might as well not add to the on screen clutter, yes?

That aside, I retain my previous statement that I'm in no way hindered or at a loss for being on PS4 and not being able to parse. If my team can stay alive, handle mechanics, and deal enough damage to clear content (and no, I'm not talking bare minimum, so let's shoot down that rebuttal right now), that's all that matters.

[Dzian]

If people really want parsers for self improvement, I wonder why not more people have suggested personal parsers. You'll see how much damage and heals you're doing, just no one else.

Because knowing how much damage your doing us useless information if you don't know why.

And in order to know why you need to know what the rest of your party is doing. What ast cards you got what debuffs the boss has. We're party buffs used did the ninja use trick attacks as much as he could have.

All of these things the 7 other people in your group do but you have no control over have a very significant impact on your personal dps.

Personal parsers simply won't work because all 8 people in the party contribute to your dps in varying amounts based on there jobs and how well they are playing.

You could take a Joe average 50th percentile monk for example and put in an elite group with 7 99th percentile players. And practically guarantee that monk isn't gonna be 50th percentile any more but way up there maybe 75th or 80th percentile player. Just because of the 7 people he's grouped with even if his standard of play hasn't actually improved

[frostmagemari]

For the 17,845th time. They are not going to put a parser into the game. All the threads in the world aren't going to help because they know what toxicity parsers lead to.

As for what SQE knows.. they don't know that parsers turn people toxic, because they can't point to reliable instances of the introduction of parsers leading to an inhospitable environment. They only have anecdotal testimony from people who think that people will be elitist towards them; but people will do that anyway, even without a reason.

Just read the forums to see how people treat others on here. Parsers lead to even more of that crap. Move on already.

The forums are a very small subset of people, and honestly.. it's the people against the parsers that seem to act in a manner that's counter productive to discourse (but this is only anecdotal).

[bswpayton]

"Oh stop with the victim attitude. Parsers are completely fine and never cause any issues ever except every MMO ever who fully allowed it proving otherwise"

- Typical Pro Parser argument

well when someone ask for a personal parse for themselves then what would be the argument for the otherside exactly?

[Lazaruz]

and honestly.. it's the people against the parsers that seem to act in a manner that's counter productive to discourse (but this is only anecdotal).

You will never realistically defeat or dissuade the victimized mentality that a lot of the community and forum loves to have regarding parsers.

Yes because claiming everyone who doesnt agree with you have some kind of victim attitude is oh so productive

well when someone ask for a personal parse for themselves then what would be the argument for the otherside exactly?

Nice try, but the discussion isnt about personal parser, and has never been, as those in favour of the tool time and time again will use whatever strawman argument they need to justify having acess to numbers that arent their own

case and point

Because knowing how much damage your doing us useless information if you don't know why.

And in order to know why you need to know what the rest of your party is doing. What ast cards you got what debuffs the boss has. We're party buffs used did the ninja use trick attacks as much as he could have.

All of these things the 7 other people in your group do but you have no control over have a very significant impact on your personal dps.

Personal parsers simply won't work because all 8 people in the party contribute to your dps in varying amounts based on there jobs and how well they are playing.

You could take a Joe average 50th percentile monk for example and put in an elite group with 7 99th percentile players. And practically guarantee that monk isn't gonna be 50th percentile any more but way up there maybe 75th or 80th percentile player. Just because of the 7 people he's grouped with even if his standard of play hasn't actually improved

Now let me ask you all a question, did it ever occur to you that the game is quite litterally designed in such a way where parsing software isnt required, or why else would they cross-platform it with something that litterally cannot use parsers unless it's through ingame means? Or are you all just screaming because you cant tell people off for underperforming before you kick them?

[Oscura]

Yes because claiming everyone who doesnt agree with you have some kind of victim attitude is oh so productive

I've already stated I don't really care either way whether or not parsers are officially supported or not. I only parse in my static, my group of friends. Your hostile attitude is exactly why people completely shove aside anti-parsers altogether and their arguments. Learn to actually read the entire post next time. I said specifically that "I don't want parsers because someone might yell at me," is a victim mentality, which is undeniably true. To immediately assume someone will bully or yell at you means you are already making yourself out to be a victim before it even happens.

Maybe you should chill out?

[Neocamp]

As someone who played WoW for 8 years and raided heroic and then mythic for 4 of those years the idea that parsers lead directly to toxicity is utterly ridiculous. Were there instances of people using recount or skada to point out low dps and thus ridicule players? Yes, absolutely. However it was and is not common. I can probably count the amount of times toxicity was generated from one of those tools on one hand.

What is FAR more common is players being held ACCOUNTABLE for their mistakes. Are they interrupting spells? Attacking the right adds? Taking damage from avoidable AoEs? Maintaining a certain acceptable degree of dps to meet checks? That is what players were always removed for in my experience. I'm sorry but I simply don't feel there is a strong enough correlation between toxicity and the presence of a parser to warrant their absence.