Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Keridwyn]

Like i said i have followed SE rules the game makers rules and broke none..your rules don't matter its not your game so just cause you don't like a rule dosn't mean i broke it or cheated.. thats your opinion of the rules.. so your argument breaks down to do what i want or ill break the rules to get what i want

Rules are subject to change. The argument of 'just because you can doesn't mean you should' is what they were trying to get across with the somewhat clunky analogy. Also, Devs and GM's have stated multiple times that 'difference in playstyle' is a valid kick, not just the options listed in the drop down menu so there your argument breaks down.

Hello i hate to tell you yes it was the night before free transfers we had 1 fc mate who wanted a house so we went plot looking i counted all 3 wars 218 empty plots. we were all in discord talking about that number 2 other people recounted and had the same number. yes mist was most full.he ended up buying a plot in the mist that night.

You claim to have a count, I have a lot of folks I asked going 'That doesn't seem right' hence why I brought it up.

As i said before im fine if they wanna change the rules now as they add more hosuing... im not fine with taking things away from people who did nothing wrong just like anyone else who pays there sub and follows the rules you shouldn't be punished period... like others have said grandfather us in and make it so we cant transfer ..

As for housee flippers many many people have said just put a timer on when the pot goes back up for sale after its been relinquished a random 24-72 house timer or how ever long that way the seller can not quantee the buyer the plot

You're not being punished. People who had their houses demoed weren't being punished. You didn't do anything wrong, thus you are not being punished. What could possibly happen is you may be negatively impacted by a change in rules. As the other half of my post said there are things SE could do that would allow you to keep multiple houses. However, we've all seen that SE likes to use band aid and that's exactly what this is, a band aid. There are plenty of vastly better fixes but can you name one that's faster and cheaper for them?

I named several better fixes in the end of the post that you didn't quote. Dynamic wards would be better, suddenly there are enough houses that everyone. Only downside would be a lack of size options since you'd have to rush a new ward for a large or medium but it would almost ensure a small per character. Vastly improved instanced housing would be better, if you could upgrade the apartments from a tiny room into a mansion-sized penthouse with rooftop patio wouldn't you? Suddenly you wouldn't have to worry about finding a bigger plot or the demo timer. What about just flat out instanced player housing where we can tailor every aspect from the size to the location of our house? Then all the FCs who want FC only wards would be happy and players would have more options than ever before. Any one of these or a combination of these would be a much much better option than limiting the number of houses someone can own. The only issue is all of these take longer and are more expensive than giving themselves more breathing room by making it so a single player can only own nine houses per server instead of sixteen. Grandfathering is a nice idea in theory but problematic in practice due to how they'd have to flag some accounts. Also the whole point of the exercise is to actually free up those extra houses to add to the new wards' worth of housing being released. It's to get as much housing back into the system as possible without actually fixing what's broken i.e. the too limited supply.

I like the timer idea but as someone pointed out to me it only stops the sale of personal housing because flippers will just start selling entire shell FCs, house and all. If a way could be figured out to stop that then yes, timers would be the best way to stop house flipping. Part of me still hopes they do it anyway, anything to cut down on the sellers.

Long and short of it is no matter how much it sucks for some folks this idea has all the earmarks of being an attractive solution to SE. Just like demos were. It's going to do the exact same thing, cause a lot of people who did nothing wrong to lose a lot of things they worked hard for and give them compensation they feel is inadequate. But just like demos it's something that probably should have been there from the beginning and it's something SE could have avoided doing entirely if they'd implemented any of the above suggested fixes instead.

[Almagnus1]

Dynamic wards would be better, suddenly there are enough houses that everyone.

I could easily see a housing area with over 100 wards if this functionality was given to us. This would probably work in the long term, but only if the price cost for a single house was greatly reduced, and there are limiters that would prevent players from grabbing up any more than 2 houses for a single account (personal and FC of their alts).

Vastly improved instanced housing would be better, if you could upgrade the apartments from a tiny room into a mansion-sized penthouse with rooftop patio wouldn't you? Suddenly you wouldn't have to worry about finding a bigger plot or the demo timer.

That might help, but it still wouldn't resolve a lot of the issues we have with the neighborhoods.

Grandfathering is a nice idea in theory but problematic in practice due to how they'd have to flag some accounts. Also the whole point of the exercise is to actually free up those extra houses to add to the new wards' worth of housing being released. It's to get as much housing back into the system as possible without actually fixing what's broken i.e. the too limited supply.

And I think that's what most of us want... the lowest hanging fruit that's actually going to push us one step closer to a fixed housing system.

I like the timer idea but as someone pointed out to me it only stops the sale of personal housing because flippers will just start selling entire shell FCs, house and all. If a way could be figured out to stop that then yes, timers would be the best way to stop house flipping. Part of me still hopes they do it anyway, anything to cut down on the sellers.

I suspect that market is a large part of why housing is so screwed up in FFXIV.

Long and short of it is no matter how much it sucks for some folks this idea has all the earmarks of being an attractive solution to SE. Just like demos were. It's going to do the exact same thing, cause a lot of people who did nothing wrong to lose a lot of things they worked hard for and give them compensation they feel is inadequate. But just like demos it's something that probably should have been there from the beginning and it's something SE could have avoided doing entirely if they'd implemented any of the above suggested fixes instead.

I suspect SE caused this entire mess because they were too firm in their "one human one character per account" line of thinking.

That or there's some cultural differences that SE didn't take into account that reared its ugly head with this entire debacle.

[Almagnus1]

I like the timer idea but as someone pointed out to me it only stops the sale of personal housing because flippers will just start selling entire shell FCs, house and all.

That may actually be a better way to go. Even if they are forced into selling shell FCs (which is fine by me), that means that every time they make a sale, they have to get a new FC created, and get that FC to rank 6 before they can get the FC able to purchase another house.

So for every sale the flipper makes, that's another FC to get back to R6...

At some point the effort required to get houses to the sale point becomes not worth the effort involved, especially if SE starts putting the screws to smaller FCs.