Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Siniztor]

Hi, i see that often in theese threads people use the term "grandfather/grandfathering", can someone explain me what does it means?

thanks xD

"A grandfather clause (or grandfather policy) is a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights, or to have been grandfathered in."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause


Bascily in this case as it stands right now as long as you get a alt to 50 and gc. level to 2 leiu and you have the gil alts can by a house to making it so you can have multi houses and your not breaking any rules. people wanna change that rule to the most common 1 fc 1 personal house per account. the grandfather rule would not take houses away from people who didn't break any rules getting there houses now. but making it so in the furture no one can buy more then 1 personal or fc per account. Others wanna strip the houses from people who broke no rules in getting there houses . As i've stated many times changing the rule is fine with me but taking away from people who broke no rules is wrong. Grandfather them in

[Almagnus1]

people wanna change that rule to the most common 1 fc 1 personal house per account. the grandfather rule would not take houses away from people who didn't break any rules getting there houses now. but making it so in the furture no one can buy more then 1 personal or fc per account. Others wanna strip the houses from people who broke no rules in getting there houses . As i've stated many times changing the rule is fine with me but taking away from people who broke no rules is wrong. Grandfather them in

If the objective is to free up houses because we have such a severe shortage that we need rationing (and we will probably continue to have said shortage until housing capacity quadruples), how is grandfathering people into the new system addressing the housing shortage?

[Siniztor]

If the objective is to free up houses because we have such a severe shortage that we need rationing (and we will probably continue to have said shortage until housing capacity quadruples), how is grandfathering people into the new system addressing the housing shortage?

Im sorry i missed that live letter or post from Yoshida P. saying that the "Objective is to free up houses"

Could you please post where ya got that from??? Im intested in reading the whole thing..Cause all i've seen if him say they didn't add enough plots and there loooking for feedback on how to add n sell them

I did see him say "While a great number of you were interested in either purchasing or relocating to a plot in Shirogane, we failed to prepare sufficient plots for players".

He also said "We’ve also received considerable feedback as to how they should be added, and we will be making an announcement outlining the number of new wards and how they will be sold after reviewing said feedback"

Hes asking for feedback on how they should be added and sold that seems to me to be the "Objective" as you put it.... so im not sure where freeing up plots comes in at all he never once mentions exciting plots or plot owners.

So to me hes looking for things like this...

50 wards are gonna be released in each city

For the first hour ..
1-Wards 1-10 FC's with out a house only
2-Wards 11-20 FC transfer only
3-Wards 21-30 Players with out a house
4-Wards 31-40 Players tranfering
5-Wards 41-50 free for all
After the first hour all wards become free for all

Keep in mind that thats each city so thats 12,000 plots (2,400 in each of the 5 restrctions)

As we seen 720 plots can sell out in 5-15 mins even on lower pop servers.so they need to release these wards during each servers peek hours.It isnt hard for them to see when the most people are on each server not a guess but honestly look at the latest loggin info for the past two weeks

[Niraves]

Absolutely not.

I'm a minimalist with design and decoration, and this would screw over my design sensibilities because (IMO) you don't need to have the house anywhere near cap to have it look good. This rule is completely asinine.

Just because you're a packrat, doesn't mean you should make everyone else a packrat or else.

I wasn't being serious, obviously. I don't think its reasonable to expect people to spend every minute of every day logged into their house. I don't care how people decorate their houses either, as long as they actually do SOMETHING with them. I'm just a little irritated with all these people demanding houses be taken away from alts and then wandering through my ward in Shirogane and seeing every other house totally empty.

Taking away alt houses isn't going to fix housing, its not even going to make a dent in the issue. I own one house on my main and one house on my alt, I use both daily. Why should I lose a house so someone who probably will ignore it 28 days a month can have it? I didn't violate any terms of service to get my second house. Why should I be punished?

Taking houses away from people isn't the answer, and people need to stop acting like its going to make any difference except to piss off players that put in the time and effort to get a second house.

I do honestly think the demo timer should be shorter than it currently is. I think 14 days would be reasonable. If you want to go on a vacation, or take a break from the game or whatever it may be, thats on you. You can either log in to keep your house, or don't. If you don't, it obviously wasn't that important to you. (And for the record, I don't think the occasionally demo relinquished house makes any real difference in the housing situation either, but we work with what we have.)

What we really need are dynamic wards or instanced houses. SE can keep trying to throw band-aids on this, but its like trying to stop an avalanche with a paper plate.

[Penthea]

Taking away alt houses isn't going to fix housing, its not even going to make a dent in the issue.

Yea people said the same thing about demolition, and well almost everyone I know who has a house or fc house got it because of demolition.

In an ideal world everyone can have several houses if they like. But SE seem determined to keep the ward system, which means there will always be limited houses. In a system in which there is limited supply then the amount of houses a player can own should also be limited.

[Almagnus1]

Could you please post where ya got that from??? Im intested in reading the whole thing..Cause all i've seen if him say they didn't add enough plots and there loooking for feedback on how to add n sell them

Maybe you should stop trolling and RTF thread.

Taking away alt houses isn't going to fix housing, its not even going to make a dent in the issue. I own one house on my main and one house on my alt, I use both daily. Why should I lose a house so someone who probably will ignore it 28 days a month can have it? I didn't violate any terms of service to get my second house. Why should I be punished?

Been over this before many times, but you're getting punished because of the land barons absorbing waaaay to many houses. Exact same thing happens when any group of players abuses part of the system.

Taking houses away from people isn't the answer, and people need to stop acting like its going to make any difference except to piss off players that put in the time and effort to get a second house.

There's no mathematical argument you can make where the current multi-house owners come out ahead. If SE does go through with this, then you get screwed, but at least as many (and probably more) are going to be happy because they finally get a house.

I do honestly think the demo timer should be shorter than it currently is. I think 14 days would be reasonable. If you want to go on a vacation, or take a break from the game or whatever it may be, thats on you. You can either log in to keep your house, or don't. If you don't, it obviously wasn't that important to you. (And for the record, I don't think the occasionally demo relinquished house makes any real difference in the housing situation either, but we work with what we have.)

14 days is still too short though. This policy is fine as is IMO.

What we really need are dynamic wards or instanced houses. SE can keep trying to throw band-aids on this, but its like trying to stop an avalanche with a paper plate.

I would suspect that the dynamic wards we'd need would be upwards of 100 wards in each neighborhood if ownership restrictions aren't put in place. At some point it just becomes too much load for SE to handle, so they'd have to cap the neighborhoods somehow.

[Gnorok]

Been over this before many times, but you're getting punished because of the land barons absorbing waaaay to many houses. Exact same thing happens when any group of players abuses part of the system.

You have stated this many times. Do you have actual numbers to back up your claims?
I don´t believe there are that many players who have multiple houses.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

those who vote to kick healers for that are guess what Breaking the rules.

Just going to touch on this. No, actually, they are not. People have posted GMs specifically citing playstyle, which is a nebulous term that can apply to nearly everything. In regards to housing, Square's own ToS highlights rules are subject to change on a whim.

11.8 Changes to this User Agreement. Square Enix reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete any of the terms and conditions of this User Agreement or the way that the Game operates at any time. Square Enix will notify you of such changes in one of the following ways at its sole discretion: through a patch, email, postal mail, website posting, pop-up screen or in-game notice. If you do not agree to any such change or modification, you may terminate this User Agreement by uninstalling the Licensed Software and destroying your copy(ies). Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this User Agreement will demonstrate your full acceptance of any and all such changes.

It goes without saying the devs didn't envision players owning multiple personal houses on a single account or creating dummy FCs to flip. In fact, they've attempted to ban the latter. Future changes to housing will be solely based on attempting to fulfill a demand they have failed to accomplish. Therefore, it makes little sense to Grandfather those who have taken advantage of their, admittedly, poorly designed system.

Is it fair? Perhaps not. But weighing the pros and cons, one upset person who lost four out of five houses isn't as much of a concern as four upset players who got nothing simply due to the former's greed.

You have stated this many times. Do you have actual numbers to back up your claims?
I don´t believe there are that many players who have multiple houses.

You would be surprised. I know players who own entire wards on Balmung, Sarga and Mateus. Back in 3.3, a FC bought up multiple houses for the sole purpose of selling them at enormous mark ups. I also know others who aren't quite as blatant but do have 3-5 houses between alts and dummy FCs. Regardless, if it turns out to be fewer than expected, then fewer will be upset with the change. On the other hand, if wards suddenly open up, you'll have far more happier players than those upset because they can't flip a small for 25M. It's in Square's best interest to appease the majority.

[Penthea]

14 days is still too short though. This policy is fine as is IMO.

Good god 45 days is already too short, never mind 14. Having the demo timer as only two weeks will literally punish people for going on holiday. Heaven forbid you have a life outside of the game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Good god 45 days is already too short, never mind 14. Having the demo timer as only two weeks will literally punish people for going on holiday. Heaven forbid you have a life outside of the game.

Honestly, I think the demo timer should be tied to an active subscription. If you're willing to pay $14 a month, you should be able to keep your house regardless of whether you're able to log in. I wouldn't even be opposed to extending it to a three month subscription period to allow people breaks in-between patches.