In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

[Niraves]

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Why should we, as multiple plot owners, be punished for SEs failure of a housing system? We didn't violate any rules to get our plots, we shouldn't have them taken away from us so that people who will likely never even use them can buy them up and then forget they exist until its time to reset the demo timer. I made a post about this in the other thread, but I'm seriously annoyed by people saying that people who own multiple houses are whats wrong with the housing in this game.

The problem with housing in this game is that 90% of plots go ignored after they are purchased. In Shirogane, ward 2, where I purchased my personal home, my house is the ONLY one with more than 40 items. I know. I counted. THAT is the problem with housing. People who buy houses and don't use them are the ones who should have their plots taken away, not those of us who actually take the time and put in the effort to do something with ours.

[cuatx]

I as a multiple plot owner love my houses and use them! I would be happy to see multiple plot owners grandfathered in so we don't lose our plots, but the system then limits accounts to one personal per server/fc house ownership. Plus alts can be made tenants! I don't want to hear how thats not fare. It is, I bought my houses when it was allowed. I also would like to see a timer on when houses become available after relinquish. So say I lose one of my houses due to not logging in, well I am SOL and down a house.

[ChameleonMS]

Why should we, as multiple plot owners, be punished for SEs failure of a housing system? We didn't violate any rules to get our plots, we shouldn't have them taken away from us so that people who will likely never even use them can buy them up and then forget they exist until its time to reset the demo timer.

SE has botched the housing system. Yes we all agree on that. Prepare yourself; you will be punished just like other players have been in the past. Remember the auto demolition timer was added after the fact. SE tied it to entry into the house, so, even players with active subscription but no ability to play due RL restrictions still lost their houses. You will be caught up in this because for every 1 player like yourself, there are hundreds of players with no housing of any kind, FC or personal.

"PLEASE, LOOK FORWARD TO IT!!!" /s

Personally, I do not think SE should stop at restricting 1 personal house per server per account. I think housing in the wards should be FC only.
Restriciton rules as follows:
1. Any FC must have more than 1 active member to purchase a house. To prevent meeting the restriction by having FC members which are no longer subscribed to the game.
2. Any FC that drops down to 1 subscribed member should have an auto demolition of 5 days regardless of house entry. Yes, 5 days is harsh but it must be inconvenient or we'll just see a bunch of single person FCs paying someone to join the FC, buying the house, then having the hiring immediately leave the FC instead of actual FCs owning the houses.
Yes, the dedicated person will still circumvent this but it will be a pain in that person's arse to do so.

I do think that the apartment system should be improved and changed to instanced personal housing. I like the idea of self upgrading of the property without having to move.

[silverlunarfox]

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The FC one is flawed. It's still too easy to circumvent for most players. And I still think housing should be allowed for people who do not want to be in an fc without abusing the fc system. Some people really take pride in their homes.

For an interim instead of 1 per account which is what I originally was for. one personal per server I think would be ok. That way alts can still buy a house, but it also encourages participation in other servers if you REALLY want that house.

[Abelfei]

The housing system is more fine than it is broken. Everyone with a house feels its fine because they worked hard for it and earned it with saavy and time. Everyone who dislikes the housing system usually is someone who didn't put in the time or effort like others have, or got "screwed" at a housing release. Square knows exactly what they are doing with housing, and its why most people play the game. Making housing "un-elite" will ruin the game, and thus ruin why housing is popular in the first place. The only reason people want them is because they are rare and represent status and hard work. I have overpaid for a small, 10 million for small Goblet. I have overpaid for a medium, 90 million for medium Mist.

[Sotatsu]

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I totally disagree with everything you said:

- People who dislike the current system are putting effort and time like others, but the supply of houses is way too limited to satisfy everyone. I farmed 45M gils for 4 months to buy a manor for my FC, and leave our small house behind, but I can't get it because there are no manors left anymore.
And you can delete the "" around the word "screwed", because yes, people were screwed by an unforeseen server problem during the 4.1 release.

- I don't enjoy housing because it's rare. I enjoy it because it gives me a purpose in this game, like farming Aquapole to get trees for my FC garden, or participate the next Halloween event to get the event decorations. No house > no need to get decorations > no need to do and redo half of the content of the game.

- I don't see why making housing "un-elite" will ruin the game. Other mmorpg with unlimited housing plots are not ruined, so why would it be the case for FFXIV ?
By the way, the fact that plots cost millions of gils is already a factor that makes the housing an "elite" feature. Adding luck to this is just making it unfair for people who pay the same subscription as you, and put time and effort to get the money to buy it.

- You said you have overpaid your different plots... do you mean that you bought your plots to house flippers ? If that's the case, then you are contributing to make the game even worse by promoting illegal plots selling.

[Abelfei]

If you worked that hard and didn't get one it's not the systems fault, it's yours along with some chance. Thats part of the game. Alot of people make gil, alot of people play alot. Because they got one and you didn't you are mad. If you got one you wouldn't be mad. This is FFXIV, not any other game, so it should be held to its own standards. If you think the amount of houses is too low, maybe you should work harder at getting one, like the people who got one did? You can't blame login issues cause everyone was subject to the same login process. Everyone played by the same rules. Not everyone is going to get a house, sorry. I bought my plots from friends who have played since 1.0, because they got new ones. You could do the same, but only seem content with getting one the easy way instead of working for it like everyone else.

[Abelfei]

It's pretty trendy to just blame the game and the system, instead of working harder and getting one like everyone else. How about this: buck up and do what it takes to get one, instead of trying to change the game to practically give you and every other 2 hour a week player. If you can't beat em , join em, and keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[silverlunarfox]

If you worked that hard and didn't get one it's not the systems fault, it's yours along with some chance. Thats part of the game.

So server errors are part of the game now >.> cool story.

My FC owners got hit with the log in error. They could not upgrade their small FC house, which we could really use an upgrade. But sure i guess that error is just part of the game.....

I hit the why won't play actually play error....I was able to relocate my small house....But that error is just part of the game....and even though i relocated, I think the system is complete and utter crap....their supposed new fancy servers failed. Plain and simple. That is NOT part of the game and never should be considered as such....

[Abelfei]

So server errors are part of the game now >.> cool story.

My FC owners got hit with the log in error. They could not upgrade their small FC house, which we could really use an upgrade. But sure i guess that error is just part of the game.....

I hit the why won't play actually play error....I was able to relocate my small house....But that error is just part of the game....and even though i relocated, I think the system is complete and utter crap....their supposed new fancy servers failed. Plain and simple. That is NOT part of the game and never should be considered as such....

No one said server erros were " part of the game " thats just an irresponsible quote. I did in fact in fact imply that some getting plots and some not was part of the game, but good job with the context there. Login errors didnt pick random players, they happened to everyone, and randomly. If you got one you werent special, you were normal.